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[–] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

America has abdicated its role, and that role will be filled

[–] xep@fedia.io 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

All of us should lead this fight, chrissakes.

[–] SquatDingloid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The majority of humanity desires to be under the boot of a supreme leader and are unwilling to put in the energy to learn about the world around them and make their own decisions.

Our species are getting what we deserve

[–] SparrowHawk@feddit.it 3 points 2 hours ago

The majority of humanity doesn't have a choice, or at least believes they don't have one. It's not about their desires and perceiving that as the problem poisons you

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

No doubt. But this is about the options still left on the table.

[–] gcheliotis@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As far as I know China is not only the largest economy or about on par with the US, but has also made huge strides in renewables, so this makes sense actually, much as we are not used to hearing international bodies inviting China to lead. I would go as far as saying this is a case of China already leading the world - at least at home, not sure how clean or energy-efficient their offshore projects are.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

China is huge. They work a lot on green energy, but on the other hand they don't care about opening a new coal plant each week.

We shouldn't be giving them credit when their green initiatives are mostly just greenwashing and capitalistic in nature.

[–] wurzelgummidge@lemmy.world -1 points 17 hours ago

much as we are not used to hearing international bodies inviting China to lead.

There is much you don't hear about China because it doesn't fit the official narrative, and much you do hear which is distorted and/or unsubstantiated and/or simply untrue from western corporate media.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I’m sure there won’t be any financial impact from the largest global manufacturer converting their means of production to renewable energy sources.

Way to “stick it to China,” Trump.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Haven't they already been? The US talks good but then doesn't follow through. Didn't China actually put up record numbers of wind and solar fields?

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If china is our last hope then we are truly 100% fucked.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Most of the consumption excesses people on Lemmy condemn the US for, are enabled and facilitated by China. The entire "disposable crap" culture is only possible because of China and its cheap manufacturing base, and lesser standards of health, safety, environmental protection, etc.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I don't buy that.

There's plenty of disposable crap manufactured outside of China including the US. I'm pretty sure if China along with all cheap labor destinations disappeared in cloud or smoke tomorrow, the US multinationals who made their shit there would invest in equipment to make it in the US with less labor and lower the environmental standards to do it, perhaps with the help of internment camped, undocumented immigrant labor. The southern right-to-work, deregulationist states already serve this purpose. Ford is building their new factories in Kentucky, not Michigan.

Another point against is that a lot less disposable crap is consumed in the EU which has just as much access to the China's manufacturing base.

And so I'm pretty sure this problem isn't a China problem but a US problem. A systemic one, driven by the incessant search for profit maximization and growth.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Also China recently started producing freons again. I thought we got rid of that problem for good, but no..

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

This if true is concerning.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I've checked and it seems things are not that bad on that front. The identified new Chinese sources were eliminated, if I understand correctly. There are still some sources unaccounted for, which is concerning, but those might be anywhere, not just in China.

Here's an article, if you were interested: https://climate.nasa.gov/news/3065/nasa-funded-network-tracks-the-recent-rise-and-fall-of-ozone-depleting-pollutants/

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 57 minutes ago

Thank you 🙏