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STOP Trump’s anti-democracy Project 2025 agenda: Add your name if you agree (act.commoncause.org)

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

If you're not on a list of people to harass, terrorize, abuse, or possibly deport in the Trump administration, make sure you are are on one of those by signing this public petition! /s

I'm actually joking, because letting that kind of fear stop us is how they've won so far and how they'll win in the future, unless we stop being afraid of the consequences of living in a corrupt USA and speaking truth to power.

Just ask Fred Hampton.

[–] LukeZaz@beehaw.org 8 points 4 days ago

Considering that (insofar as I can tell) literally just a petition and nothing more, your joke actually sounds pretty accurate to me.

The only way this'll do good is if a miracle occurs and it becomes ludicrously successful. In any realistic scenario, all it does is make a convenient list of people the new administration won't like. Well, that and create a treasure trove of profitable data.

Fear is bad when it stops us from doing useful, helpful things. I don't think this is one of those things.

[–] itsybitesyspider@beehaw.org 4 points 4 days ago

It's safest to sign. Safety is in numbers. Cowardice leads to the greater danger. And it doesn't matter if it accomplishes anything.

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This is pointless and will accomplish nothing

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Nah it'll give them a list of who to target

[–] Sandbag@lemm.ee 1 points 4 days ago

Truth Right There!

[–] millie@beehaw.org 21 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Is there any evidence that petitions are effective when they're not legally binding and are coming from the opposition?

[–] Manticore@beehaw.org 19 points 4 days ago (2 children)

If anything they're the opposite. The petitions themselves are not binding, and if they're not directly to institutions then they're probably not even noticed.

...but they do convince signers that they've 'done something', the catharsis of which makes them less likely to do something that actually matters.

[–] DdCno1@beehaw.org 6 points 4 days ago

This reminds me of a scathing bit in I think "Bowling for Columbine" that covered a group of well-meaning women and their ineffective political activism. They made a bit of ruckus in some senator's office, then had tea and cake afterwards patting each other on the back.

[–] millie@beehaw.org 5 points 4 days ago

Yeah, that's my thought. People sign a petition and go 'welp, I've done my part!' when they've literally done nothing constructive whatsoever.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's what im wondering. What would signing this actually do?

[–] Pandemanium@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

I signed a bunch of these petitions back in 2016. It didn't accomplish anything.

[–] whithom@discuss.online 4 points 4 days ago

It’s a pretty good way to get a list of people to deport.

[–] jabib@beehaw.org 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Pretty sure anyone who will sign this voted Harris. The election was the country's chance to say "no" to Project 2025

[–] Sundial@lemm.ee 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Don't be so sure. Even a lot of Republicans didn't like the idea, which is why Trump had to walk back from it and say he didn't know anything about. Which was an obvious lie. Plus, there seems to be a lot of people who voted Trump who didn't even know what it would bring. I'd imagine a lot of people would be against this.

[–] jabib@beehaw.org 5 points 4 days ago

I imagine a lot would be, too, but that doesn't mean they did know about it or will know about it even when it is happening.