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[-] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 74 points 8 months ago

Embrace. Extend. Extinguish. Hold fast against the barbarians at the gates.

[-] takeda@szmer.info 37 points 8 months ago

Exactly, nothing changed about them.

This week I learned that online version Microsoft Teams outright refuses to make calls of it runs on Firefox. They are doing the same exact shit they did two decades ago.

[-] Cornelius@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago

So THIS is why teams doesn't work for me on Firefox anymore, Jesus. Welp, I can spoof my user string

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago

Huh, really? I'll have to try that out. I only use Teams on my work computer (Mac), but Linux at home. All of our interviews are over teams, so I wonder if that's an issue for our applicants.

[-] takeda@szmer.info 5 points 8 months ago

So in my case, something broke with intune. I was told to use office.com for time being.

While that works, when I tried to call it told me that I should use chrome or edge.

[-] init@lemmy.ml 0 points 8 months ago

I think Google maps does something similar with Firefox, where it won't zoom in with the mouse wheel--only the '+' and '-' buttons work. It also seems to lag quite a bit on Firefox. On chrome it works just fine.

[-] witx@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 8 months ago

That's wrong. I use Firefox and maps just fine

[-] jelloeater85@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Hold fast against the barbarians at the ~~gates~~ Gates.

FTFY

[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 8 months ago

Nah. We're the barbarians with Romans at our gates.

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 4 points 8 months ago

I've not seen a true example of this in over a decade. I feel like Microsoft becoming the biggest corporate contributor to open source has changed my outlook on Microsoft.

[-] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago

The problem is it's impossible to prove either way, just becouse they haven't done any extinguishing in over a decade doesn't mean any of the theoretically positive things they are doing don't have those intentions, embrace and extend aren't antithetical to contributing to open source, in fact I would say what they are doing is embracing it pretty well

If not for their history I'd say it's great! But this is Microsoft we're talking about, even if they have changed we shouldn't just assume their intentions are pure

[-] MJBrune@beehaw.org 1 points 8 months ago

It sounds like you are working off of FUD though. With the change over of Microsoft twice since the litigation against them, it stands to reason that there isn't a single worker from high up in Microsoft that has been there since 1999.

[-] heeplr@feddit.de 24 points 8 months ago

imagine microsoft promoting guides to use the terminal which was deemed outdated, slow and complicated legacy in the past.

Give it two or three more major teleases, then windows will be a DE runnining on some *nix-ish kernel. Microsoft is really learning the hard way.

[-] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 14 points 8 months ago

If they actually change the kernel to something new and modern, I might just find a little respect to give to them

[-] drbluefall@toast.ooo 16 points 8 months ago

I will die laughing the day that Windows becomes a linux distro.

[-] Umbrias@beehaw.org 1 points 8 months ago

I mean it wouldn't be that surprising, they make all their money on corporate installs. A service based Linux type system which has all the same spyware and issues as windows being a good business decision for them doesn't seem like a victory, just a corporation doing a capitalism.

[-] canis_majoris@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago

All the rumors for 12/CoreOS are saying it's going to be in Rust.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

If true, it must be a thin client then. I just can't imagine they'll rewrite the kernel in Rust. That would be awesome, but super error prone if they're going to try to maintain backward compatibility. GUI in Rust is also painful, so I doubt it's that either.

[-] d0ntpan1c@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 8 months ago

Don't quote me on this but i recall seeing something a while back about how a significant part of the windows kernel was already ported to rust. The windows kernel has been fairly decoupled from the UI layer for a while, that was one of the big efforts in the 8.1 and 10 versions: to have a core that xbox, phone, and desktop could all share.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Huh, it looks like Windows 11 is including Rust to some degree in the kernel. I wonder how far they'll take it.

[-] ares35@kbin.social 16 points 8 months ago
[-] SatyrSack@lemmy.one 10 points 8 months ago

We are now offering the MS Linux Introductory CD at a special introductory price of only $249.99 (plus shipping and handling), if you order before it ships.

A bargain in 2003 dollars.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 8 months ago
[-] GlitchSir@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

I’ve said this before but I believe windows will merge Linux into it before too long. It’s starting with WSL. It’ll be hybrid OS eventually

[-] Chais@sh.itjust.works 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

You can already run basically any Linux application, even graphical ones, on Windows through WSL. But at that point, why would you even keep putting up with Windows?

[-] drcabbage@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago

All the power of Linux, with the annoyances of windows... A perfect world.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 6 points 8 months ago

Suppose you work maintaining both Windows and Linux infrastructure, having both in one OS is useful.

Or if you want Windows for gaming, not having to reboot is nice.

However, I've been Linux only for >10 years now, so I obviously don't see any value in WSL. I tried it a few times and it was neat, but ultimately not something I care about.

[-] Chais@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

I've been Linux only for >10 years now

Same. Tried to remote administrate a Windows 10 VM with Ansible a couple years back. Not a fun experience.

[-] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 1 points 8 months ago

It's handy if you have use windows for something and you keep having to look up bloody powershell equivalents for bash commands.

[-] Montagge@kbin.social 12 points 8 months ago

I know some people like it, but I'll die on the hill that WSL sucks compared to the real thing.

[-] andruid@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

I want to like, because well I want to have an OS that just works on my work computer, but at least my experience has been less then optimal.

[-] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 7 points 8 months ago

50% Windows, 50% Linux, 100% garbage!

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

If that first 50% runs my applications flawlessly, I'm all for it. I do not want to dual boot and Linux doesn't meet my needs yet.

50% Linux means developers are more likely to create Linux applications which is a step closer to 100% Linux

[-] NegativeLookBehind@kbin.social 1 points 8 months ago
[-] glimse@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

Non-emulated AutoCAD and Ableton with full VST support are two big ones. Last I checked there were still ASIO driver issues with my audio interface (Scarlett 18i8), too.

I know things have come a long way since I last mained Ubuntu but I'm not interested in jumping through hoops to get it going even if it's "possible" when they work natively without issue on Windows.

[-] GustavoM@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Not going to happen. Money is good, but we are too addicted to freedom already.

Even if it happened for whatever reason, that'd make most users fall back to "vanilla" versions of Linux.

[-] testman@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago

truly we live in a bizarre world

[-] daisy@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago

I feel that way every time I start vscode. A fast, high quality, open-source, cross-platform IDE - on Electron of all things - made by Microsoft? It's so weird.

[-] testman@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago

as the article points out, they did actually do some good things
also, check out VSCodium. A cleaned up version of VSCode (I assume that name was inspired by Chromium, a cleaned up version of Google Chrome)

[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

Chromium is the engine Google Chrome is based on, not the other way around.

[-] Chais@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

The most important installation method is missing, though. Installing Linux to the hard drive, replacing Windows.

[-] Undearius@lemmy.ca 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)
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