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Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world: IPCC AR6 Figure 2 - Thee bar charts: first chart: how much each gas has warmed the world.  About 1C of total warming.  Second chart:  about 1.5C of total warming from well-mixed greenhouse gases, offset by 0.4C of cooling from aerosols and negligible influence from changes to solar output, volcanoes, and internal variability.  Third chart: about 1.25C of warming from CO2, 0.5C from methane, and a bunch more in small quantities from other gases.  About 0.5C of cooling with large error bars from SO2.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Water wars are now fifteen years away max at our current pace.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

There are large parts of the world where the big use of water is to grow food for cows. A decision to eat less beef instead of killing people is possible.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The population at large will never voluntarily choose to stop eating meat. Beef will just become prohibitively expensive, and the government will give more and more subsidies to try to reduce the cost of hamburgers until the market collapses and they blame immigrants/lgbtq+/atheists/whichever scapegoat is most convenient at the time.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca -4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That’s not true, people would give up meat if they have to especially upon hearing it’s effects.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

They'll give it up if they have to, yes, but that's because they have to. The tobacco industry is still doing $100 billion each year, and they print death threats on the packages. People who know meat is bad for the environment still eat it. People are stupid, lazy, and panicky. You won't reduce the damage at the grassroots level. You have to win elections, frame the debate, and set policies. Anything less is pissing on a forest fire. You're just going to singe your pubes.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Systematic change always starts from the grassroots level.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Of course it does, by doing what I said. It's the only way anything ever changes. Win some elections, frame the debate, pass legislation. That's how it always works, and it never works any other way (without violence).

There has never been a movement that built up so much grassroots support that everyone just unanimously agreed to go along with it.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

...And that's why I've set up this toll on The Meat Bridge

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago

name one case when that happened

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

in the same way they are decisively acting to combat the climate change, they are voluntarily giving up their comfort, their cars, and so on... right? 😂

[–] finderscult@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

The main countries that eat beef are the ones with a history of killing people for far less than trying to take away their beef.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Sooner possibly. The Taliban are likely going to kick one off in the next few years. It's a whole thing, but it boils down to this, they aren't good neighbors.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Soon, Musk will cancel NASA and this data will be kept for corporate investors and financial planning for the elite as they look at an inevitable societal collapse and build their bunkers to be excluded from the chaos.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

a harbinger of what's to come

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