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Third woman dies under Texas’ abortion ban as doctors use riskier miscarriage treatments
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“Complete the miscarriage and the bleeding will stop,” said Dr. Lauren Thaxton, an OB-GYN who recently left Texas.
fucking insane how doctors are now being complicit in the oligarchs' plans by refusing simple medical care
Jesus christ, quit blaming the doctors for being victims of christo-fascism. These people don't want to spend their life in prison. It's easy to talk big shit when you personally have zero stake in anything.
Speaking personally, I'd rather go to prison for the rest of my life than let someone in front of me die of something I could prevent.
- It's not guaranteed the person will die in this situation, just more likely. They made an unnecessarily risky (intentionally incorrect due to the law) decision.
- Multiple people could be convicted, so you're not just risking your own life but the lives of your colleagues for aiding and abetting.
- A doctor with their freedom and license can continue to help hundreds upon hundreds of patients whose condition isn't this immediately life-threatening (and some whose are, just often incorrectly due to the law). A doctor without those can do basically nothing, and there's a limited supply of doctors. It's a basic trolley problem.
- Guaran-fucking-teed you would drop the tough guy hero act if it were your life on the line. The people talking shit about the doctors who dedicate their lives to the health of others absolutely appall me.
Guaran-fucking-teed you would drop the tough guy hero act if it were your life on the line.
Bingo.
If you read the article, almost all of the staff in this case were all making the recommendation that the patient's extreme loss of blood demanded more immediate intervention, and several doctors concluded that D&C was needed.
This is the result of one rogue doctor ignoring signs and symptoms and disregarding sound clinical advice because they believe their career matters more than a young woman's life.
If there are more patients who may face medical issues because the state chose to lock me up for doing the right thing, that is not on me. That is on the state.
When I was younger, there was a regular where I worked who was a doctor who went to prison for performing abortions back when they were illegal. He did not regret what he did, and he provided me with some sound advice about doing the right thing in the face of adversity that I still carry with me to this day.
almost all of the staff [...] and several doctors concluded that D&C was needed.
My dude, my guy, are you talking about the doctors not at this facility that ProPublica talked to after the case? Because the only two staff I recall from the article who were mentioned to be treating Ngumezi at the time were nurse Esmeralda Acosta who said nothing about D&C and Dr. Andrew Davis, the one who recommended misoprostol.
Thank you for pointing all this out. People like to talk big online without a second thought and it's good when someone has the energy to reveal their mental deficiencies.
Davis’ post-mortem notes did not reflect nurses’ documented concerns about Porsha’s “heavy bleeding.” After Porsha died, Davis wrote instead that the nurses and other providers described the bleeding as “minimal,” though no nurses wrote this in the records. ProPublica tried to ask Davis about this discrepancy. He did not respond to emails, texts or calls.
Over a dozen doctors confirmed to ProPublica after the fact that D&C was needed, something I'm sure Davis himself recognized. We're in agreement there. Not a single one of those doctors placed the blame on Davis; instead, they correctly blamed it on the law. The way you phrased your previous comment, intentionally or not, implies that there were multiple doctors who wanted to intervene but that Davis somehow undermined them.
The point of this paragraph wasn't that "all the staff except Davis agreed she needed a D&C". The point is that Davis was forced into malpractice by a christofascist law and then ignored the notes about bleeding by multiple nurses because, again, his other option (proper care for heavy bleeding) was a potential first-degree murder charge. And I can imagine OB-GYNs don't want to face a malpractice suit every time they have to treat a patient with a life-threatening miscarriage because of what their fascist government effectively forces them to do. That wasn't him "going rogue" while the nurses stood in solidarity bravely willing to go to risk jail with him like you're implying.
Also, to call it not wanting to "risk his career" is disingenuous as fuck. What Davis did here is risk his career through malpractice; what OB-GYNs in Texas are doing by giving proper care is risking their career and the rest of their life. This is the position these doctors are placed in.
I just hope this man never gets to practice medicine again for what he did.
I am just getting sick of people using these dying mothers as a "See, you get what you deserve" argument to take the holier-than-thou stance against these oppressive governments, when really it comes down to the individual acts of persons who perpetuate injustice by choice.
Do we forgive the guard at the concentration camp just because their oppressive government would punish them for disobedience?
I am just getting sick of people using these dying mothers as a “See, you get what you deserve” argument to take the holier-than-thou stance against these oppressive governments
Oh, to be clear: fuck that stance. The whole sentiment around "Oh, well you voted for Trump to oppress you, so you deserve to be oppressed" is gross. I certainly hope people who voted for these policies learn, and to that end, I moderate !leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world, but short of the leopards turning on themselves and getting their own faces eaten, I think we need to equally adamantly support the rights of these people who did vote for their own oppression. (Moreover, those who assume someone voted for this or failed to vote just because they're from a certain state is something I've actually seen, and that's just asinine.)
That said, comparing OB-GYNs who studied to help women who are now being thrust into this dilemma to camp guards who – I cannot emphasize this enough – volunteered to be there with the express and sole purpose of imprisoning and killing marginalized groups such as Jews is not at all comparable and demonstrates an extreme degree of black-and-white thinking.
That said, comparing OB-GYNs who studied to help women who are now being thrust into this dilemma to camp guards who – I cannot emphasize this enough – volunteered to be there with the express and sole purpose of imprisoning and killing marginalized groups such as Jews is not at all comparable and demonstrates an extreme degree of black-and-white thinking.
Many members of the German military were drafted. The SS made up a large portion of camp personnel and was largely a volunteer corps, but had plenty of conscripted members by war's end. Moreover, most camps were manned by general members of the Wehrmacht who were largely drafted. Short story is that a lot were there involuntarily but still bear the responsibility of complicity.
That is beside the point though, and I want to stress that I am not trying to paint these comparisons as equivalent and am not sure how you reached that conclusion. My point involves the way in which we identify culpability and how we can easily apply it one way in one extreme situation but for some reason are refusing to do so for a less extreme but similar situation. Call it invoking Godwin's law, but it's not for nothing that I draw the comparison, because this is just an early stop on the same fascist road. "Just following orders" is a long-understood enabler of fascism and it manifests in more ways than one.
At the end of the day, a mother is dead because a doctor was unwilling to provide the medical care necessary to save her life, and we attribute this to a law that medical professionals are being compelled to obey. I see most people in this thread willing to forgive the terrible things that are happening before our eyes, because the doctor had no choice, right? It's easier to say that blame rests solely with a small cadre of villains in government and absolve everyone else involved of responsibility.
So the million dollar lawsuit question is, if the restrictive anti-abortion law did not exist, would the doctor have done anything differently? If no, then the malpractice lawsuit coming his way anyways is deserved. But if the answer is yes—if he knew the right thing to do but chose not to do it because he was just following the law—then he should be held responsible for that woman's death and deserves worse than a mere lawsuit.
Are you willing to go to prison to help a stranger? Sacrifice your own family to save someone elses?
Doubtful.
Let these christofascists suffer the consequences of their decisions. And the ones who don’t support them should be violently fighting back at this point. But they won’t.
Arrest doctor for doing their job and saving a life
Get blacklisted from seeing any doctor
yes and have
think any of those that came before just shied away when the jackboots were ordered to subjugate such as Malcom X or Martin Luther King Jr. or more recent the student protestors facing jail time over the genocide protests
and there are more than christofascists in Texas
US is called the melting pot it includes a variety of people at least for now
yes and have
If true, you’re a rarity. And it’s mostly in vain. When was the last civil right won from jail time? All I can think of from the 90s on are brutal prison sentences for activists and worsening conditions for the rest of us, with a minor blip of better conditions for LGBTQ under 2nd term Obama.
Yeah the 60s brought great change from protest, but it’s been mostly downhill since. I think of the environmental and animal rights activists of the 90s/00s in particular (ELF/ALF), who ended up with long (life?) prison sentences and gestures broadly look at the world around us? We’re living through climate collapse. They did the best they could to fight the inevitable under capitalism and paid dearly for it, for what?
The state has brutally cracked down on the left since forever, and it’s only gotten worse with technology.
If these Texans (the non christofascist) want to fight they need to start organizing and fighting with their labor. Strike.
But even then the state will find a way to oppress. The smart ones with the resources to do so are all fleeing to safer blue states.
I live in one of those safer blue states that people are fleeing to. The right to abortion is codified in our constitution unlike the federal democrat cunts who cynically fundraised off it for 50 fucking years, but yeah we’ll push them left any day now. I wonder how the states rights crowd is gonna logic pretzel themselves to go after that…
Sure, and then after 1 they’re basically gone as an OBGYN. That talent takes 12 years to make. You’ll go through them pretty fast, no easy replacements, with that proposed policy.
It’s like that bizarre AHA recommendation several years ago, in COVID, advising to just dive into COVID rooms to do CPR without protective gear, raw dog the code, and deal with your own illness and maybe death later, as well as all the family unit deaths after potentially bringing COVID home to the spouse, kids, and elderly parents. No one did. It was full iso gear or nothing. For similar reasons an OBGYN isn’t going to rot in prison and or go work at McDonald’s thereafter doing similar for 1 person.
The thing about health care is each individual is a resource that is used by a great many people. That OBGYN has multiple patients, and can go elsewhere and save many but only if she’s not in prison and still has a license to practice.
The real issue here is our ongoing leadership deficit. Failed leadership, road blocking the resources that are supposed to be there for the protection of their people. Leadership is supposed to be a stewardship role for the well-being of the populace. Instead, we have whatever Greg Abbott and Donald Trump are. They decided to kill women. The OBGYN is just trying to survive those decisions to serve multiple patients another day in a location that allows for it.
Trump, Clarence Thomas, Amy Barrett, Neil Gorsch, Samual Alito, Brett Kavanaugh, and Greg Abbott decided to kill women, for for the sake of partisan politics and religion. Let’s get that narrative right. And the names. The above names took an active role in killing women. And still are killing women, by legacy.
Leave the OBGYN out of it.