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I was wondering who is going to pay for the reconstruction of all the razed apartment buildings, schools and hospitals in Gaza? Are the US and Europe going to do that, or is Israel going to do at least this?

I am genuinely curious what the US (Americans) think about this, they provide Israel with munitions and military aid which are used to destroy civilian buildings and infrastructure in Gaza and then they will pay once again to restore them?

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[–] banana_meccanica@feddit.it 47 points 11 months ago

No one will pay, there is no reconstruction on planning, that is an eternal war there will be never a winner and there is no sense to build on an battlefield.

[–] Tom_bishop@lemmy.world 46 points 11 months ago

Israel is gonna pay for the for the reconstruction willingly & proudly. They've been doing it for more than 70 years. All the Palestinians' apartment buildings that was destroyed for the past 70 years, Israel rebuild it, and then the Jews moves into the new area. Rinse and repeat until no more Palestine

[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 34 points 11 months ago

They don't want to reconstruct it, they want to raze it to the ground and kill everyone, then oh look free land.

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 33 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Netanyahu's government doesn't want there to be any reconstruction. The only thing more dangerous to them than a hard line Palestinian government is one willing to negotiate. The worse the conditions Palestinians are in the more militant they will be. This let Netanyahu justify being more aggressive.

[–] filister@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes, one more cynical man would say that they kind of intentionally let the destruction and the casualties to be so high, so that they can justify the retaliation which would involve a couple of times more civilian casualties on the other side and they can use this as pretext to tighten their restrictions and increase the buffer zone or simply grab that land for themselves.

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

It doesn't even have to be some intentional diabolic plan. There is no incentive to be a moderate in this conflict. Moderates have historically been killed by their own side. There would have been peace several times over if this was not the case. This conflict has devoled to the point that any move to the center will result in political suicide and possibly real suicide.

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

As an American, I am dismayed to report that the bloodlust and empty-eyed support for anything Israel does is basically the only widely bipartisan issue that exists here. It is absolutely grotesque and disheartening. So, I expect that once the fascists have completed their final solution, the US will gladly help fund the reconstruction of the area, to make it shiny for a wave of American and Israeli settlers and for the sake of business relations. It makes little difference which party has the presidency.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Israel, unfortunately.

The whole point of provoking these attacks via their violent oppression is so they can retaliate against Palestine, kill masses of innocents, and build new settlements on Palestinian land when the dust clears.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Wrong question. The right question is: Who's going to make a fortune on the reconstruction of Gaza?

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lol Israël providing water to Gaza? => "look how they make profit from Gaza!" Israël shutting water down? => "look what they doing, starving and torturing the civilians!"

Can't win this

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That was not what I was talking about. If anything will ever be built there, it will be a BIG job. And someone will make a shitload of money with that, regardless if they are from Gaza, Israel, or elsewhere. A beefy chunk of money coming from private donations, international support pledges or other states' foreign help will end up in the (offshore) bank accounts of a few corrupt people.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Understandable, have a great day

[–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I know you're making more of a cynical joke, but no contractors are gonna be willing to go into Gaza to rebuild under Hamas.

Some construction supplies wholesaler might make a killing, though.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

At this point, it is not unlikely that Israel will just kill everyone and take the land.

[–] neptune@dmv.social 9 points 11 months ago

The whole point is to take the land. So you are not quite asking the right question. Israel presumably will. So that it can occupy the land.

[–] Orionza@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Israel wants the land. They've been taking Palestinian homes and properties and kicking out the owners for many years. They've requested that people in northern Gaza move out, and go south or be killed. They plan to take Palestinian land for themselves, imo.

[–] co209@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Israel will build some very nice Jewish beachfront colonies over the bloodstained rubble. It's what they've been doing in the West Bank and Jerusalem, at least.

[–] SHamblingSHapes@lemmy.one 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It will be a political debate point for decades to come, as how to support Israel has been a point of debate for decades past.

US politics at the foreign policy level can change dramatically every election cycle. I can't guess what their policies might be in the next 1, 5, 10 years.

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

US politics at the foreign policy level can change dramatically every election cycle.

Yes, they can but they don't.

[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 11 months ago

They won’t in this case. Israel can do nearly anything, the US will even condemn some of them, but that won’t affect support. As Biden has said many times “if there was no Israel the US would have to invent an Israel to protect her interests in the region.”

[–] tallwookie@lemm.ee -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

the ideology changes though!

[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 0 points 11 months ago

When it comes to foreign policy there is no real difference between D and R.

R invaded Iraq on a lie.

D stayed there and kept it going.

[–] Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

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[–] charlytune@mander.xyz 3 points 11 months ago

I'd imagine that whoever pays, that US companies will already be preparing their bids for the contracts. It may even be a condition of the military support that is being provided to Israel. This is my gloomy cynical view, assuming that the Palestinians in Gaza are all wiped out or removed, and Israel asserts full control and it becomes wholly part of Israeli territory. And based on past events in Iraq etc.

[–] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Israel, i bet

Just like they pay for their water and electricity bills Who else would, Egypt? Other Muslim brothers? Lol they aren't

[–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Probably similar to all the other aid.

They'll send construction supplies that will be used for tunnels instead, and pipes for plumbing that will be used to make bombs instead.

So much aid has been directed to Palestinians only to be stolen by Hamas.

[–] frumpkt@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Israel may annex or occupy the land long-term, so they'd build it up for Israelis. If they don't keep it, prolly the UN.

[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As long as Hamas still stands there won't be any reconstruction. They take all the concrete imported to build their terror tunnels instead.

[–] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Being downvoted to oblivion simply for stating what Hamas themselves are bragging about, they're the ones boasting them being able to turn water pipes into rockets and construction materials into bombs. But of course anyone supporting Hamas will never tell you openly that they do so, so those internet warriors express their support for the terrorists instead "anonymously" with downvotes.

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Here's something really clear. Fuck Hamas and their terrorist attacks.

Here's something even more clear. Fuck Israel and their murdering innocents, stealing land, killing children, killing journalists and all the other shit.

Why do you only condemn the symptoms and not the cause.