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[–] itsonlygeorge@reddthat.com 6 points 1 day ago

Too bad they’re paid not to by their corporate overlords.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 day ago

Pelosi's little crusade against AOC should be a wake up call to anyone thinking the Dems have any way of moving forward.

Get rid of the dinosaurs and embrace progressivism, or perish.

The old guard seems to prefer the latter.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

The notion that any politician right now NEEDS to do anything is a desperate and lazy claim by the citizens. We are the ones that need to rise to action. They are quite comfortable where they are.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

They dont need to "act like" it, they need to actually be it.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Dems seem to have fallen completely off the face of the Earth since the election. Looks like it will take a while to get over this. They better do it fast, though.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The dems suck too. This is a class war. We need a class party. One where no office member can make above what the bottom 80% of the country makes and no dodgy bullshit or gifts or spousal income workarounds or anything else.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That'll just mean only rich people will hold office in that party.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No rich people would be allowed to hold office in that party. That'd be the point.

[–] Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So homeless then, I guess. Unless there's some secret sauce to owning/renting a home in DC and your home district while making $16k annually (that's the average after tax income for the lowest earning quintile of the population)

Edit: i may be misreading what you meant...if you meant they'd be in the 4th lowest quintile, that gets its up to around $120k...still a tall order.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

You were misreading.

What I brought up obviously doesn't have all the details ironed out. Just a base concept. Add some money in for the 2nd home.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 54 points 3 days ago (22 children)

And they won’t.

The Democratic Party is frankly played out at this point. It’s pretty obviously a zombie party. We need a new one that isn’t beholden to neoliberalism.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

They're wholly captured by vested interests.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Lets call it the giant meteor party, GMP. Itll be about issues related to social good, universal healthcare, age and wealth limits on government officials, banning lobbyists and pacs, eliminating the electoral college, progressive taxation, and defunding the military industrial complex. No centrists allowed. They can pick social good or they can be republicans.

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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

That's literally all they've been doing since Reagan.

acting like an opposition party.

It took way too long, but that's why you can't drum up the numbers anymore, all but the thickest of skulls have finally realized that Democrat and Republican are both just big corpo, bickering over the social issue symptoms of our rigged economy and society as they maintain the economy and it's perverse incentives as it is, on the same take by the same oligarchs.

At least Republicans throw their horrible voters a bone, "Oh you hate the other? we'll be cruel to them to entertain you and tickle your schaudenfreude fancy!"

Democrats get nothing for their troubles. We're told it's our duty.

Meanwhile, killing your own non wealthy customers for moar profit? R👍D👌

[–] Maiq@lemy.lol 6 points 2 days ago

I'm reluctantly happy that people are starting to see that wedge issues are crafted by corporations and parroted by business bought representative to pit man against man who can barely buy bread to the point where e pluribus unum was meaningless there decades ago. Greed has no party affiliation.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago

No, they need to be an opposition party for the first fucking time in decades.

[–] YippieKyeAy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

This clip is just a bit chilling to hear them say it out loud and welcome it. I get it they’re Russians but we’re cooked unless something happens between now and inauguration. Only posting the link to reddit because I don’t know which video the clip is from and wasn’t going to sift through Russian pundit videos. I periodically check that subreddit in hopes something does happen because as we all know trump is a Russian asset and they only want the downfall of America. He will divide us all. What we can do though is not let them win and we need to not turn against our own people, no matter how much we disagree on politics because the end result will be much worse.

https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/comments/1hh8n9m/trump_the_destroyer/

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What I've learned from the last two presidential elections is that right now, the incumbent party loses if people are unhappy with the current state of the country. A clever, but evil opposition party would try to make things worse.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

This is why "doing what republiQans do" isn't a useful tactic for Democrats. Never has been, though the party leaders have never learned it.

[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (3 children)

both sides are bought and paid for with the same checks

only thing that could be done is to start over

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Both sides do raise money to operate, but the people funding the two parties are, to a very large extent, different.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I'll acknowledge that this chart is a little old

Corporate America:

[–] officermike@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Google/Alphabet didn't make that list?

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Probably not then. Maybe now.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Michael Fucking Bloomberg is the top individual Democrat contributor in 2024.

A billionaire is a billionaire is a billionaire. When people say they are funded by the same people, we mean they're funded by the same class interests. Individual small donations from the working class are a literal drop in the bucket compared to what the wealthy contribute.

The Democrats are still funded by the same set of class interests as the Republicans: the wealthy.

If the majority of your funding comes from people who like low taxes for the rich, don't like programs to help the poor, and who generally just want to benefit the already-wealthy, then you're going to really fucking struggle to represent interests of the working class, because the people funding you will stop funding you when you stop focusing on their problems.

Michael Bloomberg in my eyes is not materially different from Elon Musk. But sure, somehow the people funding the party are "different." We didn't just watch Pelosi squash AOCs committee for her wealthy donors, who don't like AOC or what she's selling. Give me a break.

[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Michael Fucking Bloomberg is the top individual Democrat contributor in 2024.

Your article link is from 2020.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Seriously. If you haven't switched your party affiliation to Independent, how's the time to do it. It'll take a pretty big hit to their register to actually get the lames in D.C. to care about us again

[–] Gumbyyy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The problem is, a lot of states have closed primaries. So by registering independent, you throw away the one opportunity you would conceivably actually have to help shape the party's future by having a say in who their nominees are.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Good thing the Dems have rigged every primary since '08 and seem to have no desire to change that

[–] Coskii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago

Pass laws to limit election spending/fund raising so that the playing field is about as even as we can manage. After those are set in stone and strong, dismantle the national committees and open the actual gates to allow whoever to run for office.

Even doing this wouldn't change much though. The popularity contest not at all based on policy would still reign supreme and American voters are still American voters.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The key work here is "act'' like an actor.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They'll come up with a nifty hashtag like #resist or #democracy

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And send out even more fundraising emails.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Hey, Obamna here, I need about $3.50.

we are passed the ballot box.

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