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[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 86 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

So this is terrorism but they refuse to give terrorism charges to local militias?

[–] realitista@lemm.ee 7 points 6 hours ago

Hence the joke

[–] MacNCheezus 16 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Local militias are perfectly acceptable as per the second amendment, as long as they're "well regulated", whatever that means...

[–] unknown1234_5@kbin.earth 13 points 7 hours ago

it means that it needs to be an actual maintained organization, not Jim bob and his buddies threatening anybody they don't like. it's also not a requirement, it's only the reasoning provided.

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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 23 points 7 hours ago (22 children)

From what the manifesto found on him allegedly said, it sounds like his actions were politically motivated. And violence in pursuit of a political goal is kinda the definition of terrorism.

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[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 52 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Uhuh... And the school shooters? No terrorist charges?...

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Those tend to be a personal grudge, not a political statement.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 22 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Pretty sure you could agree he had a personal grudge as well

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Potentially, but I think that's true of most terrorists.

[–] wieson@feddit.org 9 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I think that for terrorism you need the goal to instill terror in the population. Since it was so specifically targeted and only one victim, I don't know how well it fits. Also, most of the population doesn't feel terror, maybe he should be hit with satisfaction charges.

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[–] MacNCheezus 8 points 8 hours ago

I'm pretty sure it's up to the state attorney to decide what charges to bring is all I'll say.

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[–] python@programming.dev 90 points 10 hours ago (10 children)

Was he actually Italian though? As in, speaking Italian, having an Italian passport etc.? Y'all Americans have weird definitions of nationality, just having a foreign sounding last name isn't really enough...

[–] Enoblk@lemmy.world 63 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

When someone from America says they Italian or whatever they aren't talking about nationality, it's about ancestry, where your family came from not what county you were born in

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 60 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

No no no no........it's about what kind of food your mom cooked when you were a kid.

Which makes me.......uhhhhhh........clown? I don't know. She bought a lot of McDonalds.

[–] MacNCheezus 28 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t know how, but your comment wove a huge Scottish folk tale in my head revolving around fast food franchises.

in a loud Scottish accent “Let us sing of the day that the McDonalds slew the evil Burger King and rescued Wendy from her castle top prison, which was guarded by the monstrous Jack in the Box!”

[–] Yondoza@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

She was constantly making lemon meringue pies?

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

According to Italian law if you have Italian ancestry, you're Italian. There's a whole process (with many asterisks and exceptions) in which you can apply to get your Italian passport

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[–] MacNCheezus 26 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Dude's name is Luigi and his last name sounds like a pizza restaurant. That settles it for me, thank you very much.

[–] python@programming.dev 18 points 9 hours ago (8 children)

You joke, but that kind of prejudice is pretty hurtful in day to day life

[–] shadearg@lemmy.world 29 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It's important to remember that the Italians and the Irish were treated as a low rung of American society not all that long ago.

They are legitimate victims of the brunt of American hate.

[–] lemmyknow 8 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Is there anyone Americans haven't hated and/or discriminated against yet? Anyone ever not been a victim of the US?

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

sorry but Luigi Mangione sounds like a name a token Italian character would have in harry potter. idk how prejudiced it is to assume this is an italian name.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Is it though? You would be hurt if someone thought you were Italian? You must think pretty poorly of them lol

In America since we came here and took the land from the natives we just assume everyone's family came from somewhere else at some point in recent history. A lot of families are very proud of their ancestry and talk about it a lot.

[–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

My name comes from an ethnic background but I dont look ethnic so I always get weird Looks at doctors offices because of it. I think its pretty funny but I guess some people dont find it as funny to be "profiled" so to speak. It really depends on the culture you grew up in and how high tolerance actually was for that sort of thing in your life, at least thats my two cents. I dont mind it but others might.

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[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee -2 points 3 hours ago
[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Everything is hurtful now. Even nationality... jeez

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[–] int_not_found@feddit.org 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The word you are looking for is enthnicity. Enthnicity describes the (self-)perceived belonging to a population group. This is of course highly subjective.

There is undeniably perception of grouping in the US based on heritage, where it doesn't really matter when your ancestors arrived, just from where. So from an American POV it makes sense to call him Italian, because he is in the same perceived group as all the people from Italy.

On the other hand from a European POV it doesn't really matter, where your great grandparents come from. You are part of the US-Group, so you are American.

This is not an exclusive US Problem, but a general migration problem & it happens everywhere. Comments like yours are the reason, why people from migrated families feel like they are in-between cultures. Instead of writing snarky comments on the internet, just accept that your perception of ethnicity is part of your ethnicity and other people can have other perceptions.

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[–] _LordMcNuggets_@feddit.org 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

More of a

visits Italy for the first time over summer

continues to tell every living soul that their father's father's neighbour's goldfish, was italian

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[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 38 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

”We are all domestic terrorists…”

-CPAC (Republicans) 2022

[–] quixotic120@lemmy.world 12 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

uh, dunno if people have noticed but the Mediterranean is kind of goin through some shit right now. Also Italy has a pretty notable history of bombings and assassinations

But also what the other person said, dude is american. I’m so sick of my family members talking like sopranos characters because our grandparents were actual Italians. Plus they 100% definitely didn’t say gabbagool and proshoot before like 2003

[–] R3D4CT3D@midwest.social 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Gabagool has been around for centuries.

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[–] MacNCheezus 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

Yes, we know he's an American citizen, calm down please. So was Al Capone BTW, who certainly worked a lot harder to deserve a terrorism charge, but they ended up nailing him on tax evasion. So perhaps it's really the definition of terrorism that changed. I think you're taking the joke a little too serious.

As for your family members, I'm afraid I can't help you with that.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 4 points 7 hours ago

I suggest you actually check the definition of terrorism, Capone wasn't motivated by political ideals, he was motivated by good old fashioned greed.

[–] quixotic120@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I refuse to calm down and I demand help

[–] MacNCheezus 8 points 9 hours ago

There, there

[–] EfreetSK@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

So "terrorism" equals "middle eastern"?

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 24 points 10 hours ago

Hey, I don't make the rules.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

There's only one country who thinks like that, and they happen to be the whitest, most prolific terrorists on the planet

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Is it Switzerland again? They always seem to be right on time..

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