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[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 20 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Honestly, most people aren't that bad. But the ones who are are tend to be REALLY bad and they're the ones who are remembered.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 4 points 25 minutes ago

Eh, it depends on the job. It's not retail, but waiters are always taken aback when my wife and I are understanding about any delays or them being out of something. You can always see them bracing for the abuse when they tell us the issue.

We've both worked in retail and food service, so we get it.

When I worked retail, we would get shitty customers all the time, but one of my super powers was being able to diffuse the situation without having to get management involved.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 3 hours ago

I used to have a line in my dating app profile about not contacting me if you're rude to service workers. You can guess what jobs I've worked in the past.

[–] theUwUhugger@lemmy.world 73 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

That is such an american thing for some reason… My grandma was literally terrified when we once visited the US together and saw an adult man throw a tantrum for not being able to get barbecue sauce In McDonald’s

[–] palordrolap@fedia.io 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I wonder what would happen if someone else threw a similar tantrum with the topic "people who throw tantrums (like that other guy) shouldn't get what they want".

I mean, I know what would happen, you'd get permanently trespassed and the other guy would get a comped meal, but you know, it'd be funny for five minutes.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 1 points 17 minutes ago* (last edited 16 minutes ago)

I've been waiting for someone to go off on a service employee in front of me so I can kinda do that, although I plan on saying something similar to, "who the fuck do you think you are? That's a human being, and they have no control over [issue]."

I can get away with it because I'm a large, imposing dude with a deep booming voice. As long as my wife isn't with me, because she gets mad at me for getting involved.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 33 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

In Japan, they won't say much to your face, but they will say you're impolite, useless and should get fired in the internet reviews, if you didn't treat them like royalty from beginning to end.

[–] tiramichu@lemm.ee 19 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

That's honestly even more annoying.

I enjoy seeing google reviews where someone is making a huge fuss about their poor restaurant experience, and then the manager responds like "You did not raise any issues during your visit, including when asked by staff. If you had told us of any problem we would have done our best to make it right"

Like how much of a clown did that customer just show themselves to be. Couldn't raise the problem in person, but quite happy to go kick off about it online where they feel anonymous.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 19 points 3 hours ago

Look, another deeply troubling toxic relationship with retail.

[–] espentan@lemmy.world 25 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I concur. I honestly don't think I had ever seen a customer give a retail employee a hard time before (at least not in a manner that would catch other customers attention) until I visited the US. There it felt like a somewhat regular occurrence, perhaps esp. at fastfood places and Walmarts and whatnot.

"AAAARRRGHH, I want the discounted chips but the shelf is empty - FIX IT, OR ARE YOU JUST COMPLETELY USELESS?!"

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 hours ago

Shouldn’t av upcharged me chip, simple as

[–] lgmjon64@lemmy.world 48 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

Totally wouldn't work. We Americans believe in a brotherhood/sisterhood of suffering. If we suffered, we believe that others NEED to suffer as well. It's why nurses are terrible to new nurses, why so many people are against forgiving student debt, and why so many parents refuse to acknowledge their children's issues. It's all "I lived through it and it sucked, so you need to too," mentality. We didn't build compassion though suffering, we just wish it on others, too.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 3 hours ago

America is just one endless hazing ritual, from the day you are conceived to the day your grave is exhumed for its real estate value.

[–] aburtang@lemmy.world 25 points 4 hours ago (5 children)

We didn’t build compassion though suffering

Speak for yourself.

1 - Try being homeless for awhile, if you crawl your way back out of that
and you treat homeless people like shit afterwards then you're just an asshole.

2 - Try hiking the entire Appalachian Trail - everyone is struggling and yet the majority
of other hikers share food and supplies and help boost morale and the people
in trail towns are generous and not assholes because they know what you are doing is
difficult.

3 - Try being in the military and being the lowest rank E-1 - there is comradery there amongst
the low rank enlisted. Everyone is suffering and yet regardless of race, class, religion, beliefs, everyone
has a "we're all in this together" attitude and it's easy to make friends if you wish.

4 - Finally, ask anyone who has ever worked in retail how they view retail workers now.

Assholes are just assholes. They stick out in society so it makes it seem like they are the majority.

[–] lgmjon64@lemmy.world 18 points 3 hours ago

Sorry, I mean the "collective we." Of course individuals do build compassion, but look at the state of America and tell me that the collective we is different than I stated.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 37 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

It used to be socially unacceptable to be a jackass. Somewhere along the line, it became socially acceptable, then desirable, and finally glorified. We have lost the plot, by and large.

[–] devfuuu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Being the loudest and screaming the most has always been a successful tactic.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 3 hours ago

It used to be socially unacceptable to be a jackass.

It used to be socially unacceptable to be a jackass while poor. You were always supposed to defer to your betters. The Kennedys got to be assholes. The Vanderbilts got to be assholes. The Pullmans got to be assholes. Their employees and staff were expected to be utterly docile and subservient.

But a century of rising middle class prosperity combined with a Randian self-centerism transformed generations of people into CEO wanna-bes. American libertarian ideology and the myth of the Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire has utterly obliterated class consciousness in the minds of the American working class. Millions upon millions of people have it embedded in their heads that they should be treated like aristocracy.

We have lost the plot, by and large.

We've bought into the propaganda of American Exceptionalism. Every American gets indoctrinated into the theory that they're above average, that they're Gifted And Talented, that they're destined to become The President. There is no universal understanding of the human condition, just people who deserve to be under you and people who climbed above you unfairly.

[–] Pencilnoob@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

Did the first half of the trail in '22 and I can concur. I had to stop to make money, but it was so much fun and I miss it every day. I'll be back out there again soon

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip -5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I was in the military and my experience was wildly different. If you displayed anything other than hyper masculinity you were a little bitch that anyone could do anything to. Every single woman I served with was sexually assaulted and several of them raped. The rapists were never punished beyond a transfer to another duty station. People constantly stole from each other. Fuck the supposed comradery in the military.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 1 points 30 minutes ago

That sounds shitty. I'm sorry your experience in the military was that way, but I wouldn't paint the whole with a big brush like that. There are good people and bad people both in and out of the military.

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

👏👏👏👏

"May all prayers go unanswered as the vast majority wish harm upon another human being."

(The paradox of the most religious societies simultaneously being the most cruel in practice)

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

And there would always be outs for the rich so they wouldn't have to.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 3 hours ago

Totally wouldn't work. We Americans believe in a brotherhood/sisterhood of suffering. I

As someone who's been in the compulsory military service, this is exactly what would happen. The "old cans" in there haze and expect the newbies to suffer like they did.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 11 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

Also, anyone applying for a driving licence should have to have spent a given number of hours cycling on public roads.

Love it. Anyone designing public transit in any capacity has to use it to the exclusion of all else for half a year, and they must travel the longest distance within the system at least twice a week.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com -4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Bezos wants Amazon work to be some kind of national service.

Interesting to see that echoed here.

[–] paxen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

Bezos wants Amazon work to be some kind of national service.

Interesting to see that echoed here.

A false dilemma, also referred to as false dichotomy or false binary,
is an informal fallacy based on a premise that erroneously limits what options are available.

Nothing about Bezos or Amazon is being "echoed" here. You just chose to make up a false dichotomy.
The topic is: Empathy