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[–] BabyTurtles@hexbear.net 75 points 6 days ago

It's not even like his particular life was so valuable; they didn't delay their investor meeting one minute and they had him replaced almost immediately.

It's about sending a message: poors shall not interfere with the capitalists and oligarchs.

[–] CocteauChameleons@hexbear.net 52 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Thats not even the smoking gun, the buffalo shooter didnt get the death penalty. You can commit a hate crime massacre in New York and only get a life sentence

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 19 points 6 days ago

I never want to hear the right whine they’re “anti-establishment” ever again.

Like two years ago, that psychopath literally committed a hate crime JUST for the pleasure of it and the whole country was celebrating him and calling him “based”, but now that same violence is a tragedy.

[–] Rivalarrival 34 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I don't think the health extortion industry can risk making him a literal martyr.

[–] crime@hexbear.net 34 points 6 days ago

They seem to think they can't risk not making an example out of him

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

seems like it's too late, he's already a celebrity

[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 26 points 6 days ago (5 children)

everyone i work with thinks he's a saint, brilliant minded, incredibly kind; they've basically deified him already. idk how to tell them he posted dumb things on social media.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 44 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

if my chud father in law shot a healthcare CEO tomorrow because of the weird areas of the Venn diagram where we overlap, I would simply declare that he was a "land of contrasts, with many problematic opinons" but that he "died doing what he loved."

John Brown was a deeply religious petit bourgeois man with 20 children who he disciplined sternly. I very much doubt I would have enjoyed growing up in his house, but I honor him for his commitment to abolitionism and self sacrifice.

Karl Marx had unkind and sometimes racist things to say about other people in the 1st International, like Ferdinand Lassalle, but nobody on here upholds Marx because of the problematic things he said, in fact they uphold Marx despite the problematic things he said.

Engels called Mexicans "lazy" and stated in no uncertain terms that he thought the US annexation of Texas was historically progressive (in the accelerationist sense of the word). But that's not why we appreciate Engels, is it?

Lenin wrote a scathing letter to Clara Zetkin for pursuing feminism in conjunction with Marxism. But that's not why we uphold Lenin.

Stalin received a letter from a gay communist in England, asking if homosexuals like himself were acceptable in the Communist movement, and Stalin dismissed the letter with "D*generate. Archive." But that's not why we like Stalin.

Lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation and oversaw the defeat of the confederacy, despite declaring during his presidential run that he thought black people and white people could never be equal.

It is very easy to extend this principle to someone like Luigi Mangione. Which btw I don't think it is possible or advisable to build an educated/organized mass movement out of isolated acts of adventurism.

We should avoid "people worship" in general, but also understand why people receive veneration, and use that as a barometer for the social attitudes of our time. Adventurist assassinations like those carried out against Brian Thompson and Shinzo Abe are a sign that people are fed up. Lenin's older brother was hung for trying to assassinate the tsar. Lenin thought of his older brother's attempt on the tsar as misguided and advised against such actions. Society learns lessons from failed strategies. Sometimes they forget those lessons and need to learn them again.

[–] Des@hexbear.net 19 points 6 days ago
[–] quarrk@hexbear.net 11 points 5 days ago

Good post but Lincoln doesn’t quite belong in that list. Any progressive things he did were essentially concessions he had to make to preserve the Union, which he wanted to do for non progressive ends.

Lincoln didn’t free the slaves. They freed themselves and in 1860 were the most revolutionary class in America.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 19 points 6 days ago

You don't, you agree that ventilating CEOs is cool and oh hey look at how deep that rot goes, this whole profit-over-people thing will keep making CEOs until we tear it up by the roots

[–] underisk@hexbear.net 15 points 6 days ago

don’t tell them. Let them have fun.

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

idk how to tell them he posted dumb things on social media.

Why is this your first priority, or even part of the conversation at all?

[–] Bloobish@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago

idk how to tell them he posted dumb things on social media

don't, instead focus on how his manifesto mentioned how the system itself is at fault and how there's lots of other similar writings well versed on it

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't think the health extortion industry can risk making him a literal martyr.

never underestimate the shortsightedness of the reactionaries and the ruling class

[–] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The lighter areas of the photo make it really hard to read

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago

yeah you're right.

"The first translated publication of Das Kapital was in the Russian Empire in March 1872. It was the first foreign publication and the English edition appeared in 1887. Despite Russian censorship proscribing "the harmful doctrines of Socialism and Communism," the Russian censors considered Das Kapital as "a strictly scientific work" of political economy, the content of which did not apply to monarchic Russia, where "capitalist exploitation" had never occurred and was officially dismissed, given "that very few people in Russia will read it, and even fewer will understand it."

[–] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 32 points 6 days ago

a million the-doohickey on every CEO

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Made me google Dylann Roof and I'm honestly surprised he got the death penalty here I thought it was just life in prison.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The state will sometimes dish out death sentences for people like Roof, but then let them sit on death row for the rest of their life, never calling on them to be executed. Let us wait and see whether Mangione receives the death sentence, and how quickly or slowly it is carried out relative to someone like Roof.

Whenever I need to remind people of the nature of the "justice" system in this nation, I drag out this classic juxtaposition of headlines, which I found to very radicalizing when I first saw it:

bateman-business-card Let's see Paul Allen's prison sentence.

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

your screenshot looks like you took it in 1996 lol

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 3 points 6 days ago

it was taken around 2011 and hexbear additionally shrinks it to a thumbnail so that you have to right click -> open in new tab if you want to see the full resolution image on a desktop. not sure about mobile.