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My wife says every family has this drawer. I do not believe every family has this drawer. Do you have this drawer? Do you know a good solution to this drawer?

We have a silverware drawer, organized, maxed out. A sharps drawer, organized, maxed out. Ziplocs, organized, maxed out. Bbq tools and oven mitts, organized, maxed out. But all this shit has no particular category so fuck me right. I gotta have an awkward necessary crap drawer. Maybe I should post all my drawers and crowdsource me some sense into my kitchen.

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[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 15 points 4 hours ago

Your wife is correct.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I’m lucky that my drawer like this is actually inside a cutting board cupboard. The inconvenience helps give it purpose: awkward unnecessary crap we rarely use

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 hours ago

You guys can open THE drawer?!

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 59 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, every household in the developed world has a drawer like this. It's for things that you hardly need or never need, but might do, one day, probably (not).

Why it bothers me: in a more sane world, this stuff would be shared. Every community would have a junk tool shed - not every household of 4 people, or 2 people, or (increasingly) one person. It's reminiscent of that drill statistic: the average electric drill is used for 7 minutes in its lifetime. This is madness. Our planet is overflowing with junk. As a species we need to be smarter.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

the average electric drill is used for 7 minutes in its lifetime.

This smells like a fact pulled from someone's ass. This article thinks so too.

Supposedly, supposedly. There were lots of links in Steffen’s post, but no source was provided for the assertion that the average power drill is used for a total of just six to twenty minutes during its lifetime. (I find the numbers highly suspicious. I wrote to Steffen asking for his source, but haven’t heard back.)

I use drills everyday for work and have one at home that doesn't get used much because if I want to get handy I don't want to drive to work to get one.

Transaction costs, in this context, might also be called pain-in-the-butt costs, and pain-in-the-butt costs don’t have to get very high before you say, “Screw it, I’m buying a drill.” You accept, even welcome, low levels of utilization in order to avoid onerous transaction costs. And, yes, you are being totally rational. Utilization isn’t everything.

[–] VoterFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

I'm guessing that 6-20 minutes is like the actual time spent driving screws or drilling holes. Each one takes maybe a few seconds. 6-20 minutes in that case translates to hundreds of screws driven, even on the low end. So not nearly as worthless as the time makes it sound.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 2 points 3 hours ago

I use drills everyday for work and have one at home that doesn't get used much because if I want to get handy I don't want to drive to work to get one.

The average person has fuck-all experience with power tools, they don't use them every day. They can pull the trigger and it goes brrrrrrr but they don't know what the options on the rotation piece are, they don't know about different types of chuck, they don't know which gear setting to put their drill in. They use it for the absolute minimum amount of time possible and then put it away. You're clearly a professional if you're using them every day, most people are not.

I don't know whether the 7 minute claim is true or not, but the idea that most drills barely get used and spend most of their time sitting about is not very difficult to believe. I'm quite a handy person, and even my drill spends most of it's time doing nothing because I'm not drilling every single day, just as and when DIY jobs come up.

In a world drowning in ewaste, and lithium being a precious resource, why are we collectively wasting so much on individual drills when, as JubilantJaguar said, we could own these things communally and not create so much waste.

The idea of a communal toolshed for your street, block, tenement, whatever, isn't the same as having tools sitting at work. Work for most people is a commute away. Communal toolsheds would be local. They ideally shouldn't be any more than 10 mins walk away. Can you really begrudge a 10 minute walk for the sake of your wallet, environment, and community?

This also helps the young get into DIY easier. Most of my mates growing up barely did any DIY or tinkering, not because they weren't interested, but because the cost of getting the necessary tools was prohibitive as a teenager. It's taken me years to accumulate the toolbox I have now, and many of the items in there are hand-me-downs or second-hand. A communally owned toolshed gives everyone instant access to tools regardless of personal wealth or resources. If a power tool dies, £150 spread between multiple households is nothing compared to £150 for an individual household.

Managing it, caring for the tools, ensuring they're returned, and in a good state, are obviously hurdles to be addressed, but if communal toolsheds were the cultural norm then they could easily be overcome. We manage to do it with books easily enough, why not anything else?

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, it's a factoid. Maybe it's 20 minutes. But we all know it's very low. Seven minutes is an overestimate for my drill.

have one at home that doesn’t get used much because if I want to get handy I don’t want to drive to work to get one.

Yes, and it's a problem. The possibility of borrowing one from your neighbor is passed over entirely and the alternative is to drive to get another one already in your possession.

All of this is completely unsustainable behavior at the scale of the planet. I suppose you'll get in a huff and take this personally but I really am talking about all of us. As I said, I have a drill myself and bought it for exactly the reasons you cited. I just think we could all do better.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

But the transaction cost of borrowing my neighbors is much higher. I have to talk to him for 20 minutes, he has to find it, it's not charged, it's a piece of crap and the Chuck doesn't work. An hour process for a 10 second job to hang the shelf.

I think a drill is a terrible tool to use as an example since it's used for many purposes and almost any household chore. A better tool would be a Sawzall, it's built for a niche tasks and can be essential for that one cut. I will absolutely have a chat with the neighbor to avoid trying to make a cut with a hand held hacksaw blade trying to cut a stud in half. I use it so infrequently I absolutely don't need my own.

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[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

How do people do without an electric drill? Why don't they use it?!

[–] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

In fairness 7 minutes with an electric drill will get you a lot of holes!

The problem is that it's an incredibly inefficient use of resources. Most drills sit unplugged virtually the whole time. If we could only find a way to share them, we could have the same number of holes for a tiny fraction of the resources and the pollution. And as a bonus it might even strengthen local communities, which would be another obvious win. IMO the electric drill shows the dysfunction of consumer capitalism in microcosm.

[–] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

you have too much stuff. time to minimalize!

[–] wieson@feddit.org 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You could build our repurpose something like a silverware organiser, but fitted to the items in there.

But the true travesty: the scale should be easily accessible and in constant use tsk tsk

(We don't have such a drawer btw)

[–] Zannsolo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

The scale goes with the small baggies for putting dime bags together

[–] GoTeamBoobies@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I want to know how OP would like this drawer to look instead. Random kitchen utensils always seem to get shoved in a drawer like this

[–] sockenklaus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago

That's easy:

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

This is true. It is the "occasional use kitchen drawer"

[–] Earflap@reddthat.com 2 points 3 hours ago

Proud junk drawer owner checking in.

[–] Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 hours ago

We have four of these drawers. What helps is organization trays of different sizes and a junk cupboard.

Long skinny things fit here, curved things go here, bulky things get piled up in the cupboard.

Sorry OP - we all hate it too, but everyone has this. Your drawer doesn’t even look that bad. (You were able to OPEN it!)

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 23 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. Most kitchens have a junk drawer. This is often where the household hammer is kept, among other random things.

Compromise in marriage means not organizing everything to death and allowing your partner to maintain some jumbled spaces. A junk drawer is organized, out of sight chaos that still maintains a certain logic.

We’ve also floated the idea that not having a junk drawer in the kitchen may be a marker of psychopathy. I jest, but also not. Just know, junk drawers are common, diverse, and almost as expected as silverware drawers.

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[–] Aimeeloulm@feddit.uk 2 points 3 hours ago

One drawer? We have house full of these, cupboards and a garage XD

[–] JPSound@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago

Every house has that drawer.

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Yes we all have it.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 4 points 4 hours ago

It's the stuff drawer. Why are you like this?

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 93 points 9 hours ago

Every family has this drawer

[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

I also have this drawer

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 hours ago
[–] multicolorKnight@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

We have 3 of them: misc kitchen utensils and tools, misc containers, and misc stuff that does not even belong in the kitchen, but ends up there because that's the only drawers in the house that don't have clothes in them.

If you want to organize it some, you can build or buy dividers and split it up.

[–] synnackk@timesink.p3nguin.org 14 points 7 hours ago

3d printed some Gridfinity stuff and fixed a couple of these drawers. The rest are under way.

[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 hours ago

I have whole cabinets like this

[–] Eiri@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 hours ago

Yep, we all do. Although you might be going a little far in putting the food scale in there.

[–] urheber@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 hours ago

its the miscellaneous drawer, its normal, we have a whole misc cabinet.

[–] moonburster@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago

Every family has this drawer

[–] CannedCairn@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

My wife got snap apart customizable drawer organizers and it's a big difference. She showed me the way.

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I don't get why it bothers you, well, maybe it's not a serious disagreement idk.

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Not in the kitchen but I have a (very large) one for electronics and batteries and it's the worst. Tools and screws. Office supplies.

This kitchen one you could neat up a bit if it really annoys you. Put the scales in a cupboard upright against the side. Maybe get a nicer scale, that one looks naff. Trash the salad shears. What a terrible idea. Put the pizza / dough metal thingie on a wall mounted magnet for knives and stuff. Maybe put some of the other metal stuff there idk. Everything else is pretty small so you can put in dividers for that. The grater and ladle go in the same compartment.

Unless of course you think your wife should tidy up this drawer in which case you can just absolutely fuck off. Into the ocean. Die and get eaten by scavengers.

Edit: oh, that's a meat tenderiser, not a ladle. Everything else stands.

[–] vritrahan@lemmy.zip 19 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

The misc tools drawer? I have one that's overflowing. My parents have multiple drawers and cabinets of this.

[–] Navarian@lemm.ee 45 points 10 hours ago

I regrettably also have this drawer.

Attempts at cleaning it usually end up with the drawer now being somewhere else, but it clings to life somehow.

I think they're just a fact of life at this point.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago

At my parents' place, EVERY drawer is like that!

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