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Poll finds support for exploring alternatives to democracy, using violence to stop opponents (thehill.com)
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[–] Hairyblue@kbin.social 49 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Forty-one percent of Biden supporters say they believe people who support the Republican party and its ideologies have become “so extreme in what they want that it is acceptable to use violence to stop them from achieving their goals.” Likewise, 38 percent of Trump supporters say it is OK to use violence to stop Democrats from achieving their goals.

This poll seems very wrong. 41% of Biden supporters say it is acceptable to use violence to stop Trump supporters instead of democratic voting? And who put this out? The Hill?

Democrats can win in a democracy. It is the Republicans that want to rule us because democracy isn't working for them anymore.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 60 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Democrats: "It's okay to use violence to stop the overthrow of a democratically elected government."

Republicans: "It's okay to use violence to stop trangender bathrooms from teaching my kid critical race theory"

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago

"It's okay to use violence to overthrow a democratically elected government" (this has been attempted once already, and its attempt is still being embraced by people who were themselves democratically elected), while also decrying anyone who would dare to physically stand in their way.

[–] spaceghoti@lemmy.one 26 points 11 months ago (29 children)

I think it's the notion that punching Nazis is not only acceptable, it's necessary. Democrats have not initiated widespread violence against democracy, not the way Republicans have embraced it. Democrats are preparing to defend themselves, and are waiting for Republicans to initiate another civil war.

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[–] divineslayer@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's not how I read it. The poll is saying that 41% of Biden supporters believe that Republicans will use violence. Not that they would use violence themselves.

[–] GenesisJones@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The quoted text literally says that they feel it's okay to use violence to stop Republicans.

[–] Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To stop them from overthrowing the constitution and democracy itself? Absolutely we will.

[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

you bet your ass

[–] Jessvj93@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah if they run up on the Capitol again I hope more action is done this time. Itll stop their goals, that's what I would have put on that poll. You can't stop bullies by being nice/patient.

[–] GenesisJones@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

I too could go for some "action"

[–] divineslayer@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I think you're right. My first read of it bypassed the "stop them" and I thought it was just saying they were extreme enough to use violence.

[–] GenesisJones@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

It's all good. I just don't see it being read any other way. I don't really know if they are wrong tbh. Being tolerant of intolerance paradox and all that