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After receiving the text for the ad quoted above, a representative from the advertising team suggested AFSC use the word “war” instead of “genocide” – a word with an entirely different meaning both colloquially and under international law. When AFSC rejected this approach, the New York Times Ad Acceptability Team sent an email that read in part: “Various international bodies, human rights organizations, and governments have differing views on the situation. In line with our commitment to factual accuracy and adherence to legal standards, we must ensure that all advertising content complies with these widely applied definitions.”

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[–] febra@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Liberal newspaper never disappoint in aiding fascism.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 15 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Genocide is just too strong of a word. They are just disagreeing by murdering all their population. You see, it is just a disagreement.

[–] misterdoctor@lemmy.world 78 points 16 hours ago (6 children)

My goofy ass thought it meant the oatmeal guys

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 28 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think there's anything "goofy ass" about that. Quaker Oats Company was explicitly named (and used a logo) to cause people to make that mistake.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Which is especially disheartening because Quakers are some of the most truly liberal and loving Christians you can find. The fact that they're willing to call this a genocide evidence of that, and unsurprising since their interpretation of the bible is 100% strict non-violence to where they can't legally be drafted into the military due to their beliefs. Some of the most truly leftist Christians you'll find.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

Some of the most truly leftist Christians you’ll find.

As long as you don't remember that Nixon was a Quaker.

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago
[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

That guy killed Gene Hackman and then went after Tom Cruise!

[–] Lenny@lemmy.zip 5 points 15 hours ago

And Jigsaw helped him do it!

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 2 points 14 hours ago

i knew from the thread title.. doesn't mean i don't like your idea better.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 15 hours ago

It's the right thing to do.

[–] fishabel@discuss.online 2 points 15 hours ago

Lmfao, me too.

[–] Alienmonkey@lemm.ee 17 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Ha. I would not have seen the add or messaging from the AFSC.

By rejecting it NYT Streisanded the message they sought to silence.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

AFSC is the American Friends Service Committee.

So, a little to unpack here. "Quaker" is the common name for what is more formally known as The Religious Society of Friends. Thus American Friends Service Committee.

Yes, the same Quakers from our history books. Actually to this day genuinely quality people and one of the few Christian groups I tend to have a decent amount of respect for.

I don't know if I got memory holed or what, but I have a distinct memory during the Iraq War of a group of Quakers in kayaks blockading some US warships from leaving port to go to war and that was the pretense that Bush wanted to use to charge these non-violent Quaker anti-war protestors with terrorism charges. It's been a while and I've not been able to dig up a link but I swear it happened, I can find ACLU documents mentioning the Bush admin targeting Quakers, but that's about it. Interestingly enough, it included surveillance of this exact organization.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-report-shows-widespread-pentagon-surveillance-peace-activists (January 2007)

In response to the ACLU’s FOIA requests filed on February 1, 2006, the Defense Department has released dozens of TALON reports that were compiled on Americans. Many of the reports focus on anti-military recruitment events and protests, including activities organized by the Quaker organization American Friends Service Committee, United for Peace and Justice, Veterans for Peace, and Catholic Worker.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago

American Friends Service Committee

"The One Where Ross Drops White Phosphorus on Civilians"

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

This is a new kind of war. This is an eradication.

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The only things new about this war are the weapons being used to fight it. Humans have been wiping each other out since we've been around.

[–] theonlytruescotsman@sh.itjust.works 49 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Far right fascist propaganda rag doesn't want to publish the truth about a genocide it's covered up and excused?

[–] BMTea@lemmy.world 52 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

It's not far right fascist. It is liberal Zionist. Liberals can and have been genocidal too. Liberal Zionism is incompatible with humanism or universal values.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 21 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

you two are in agreement on everything except for what constitutes "far right"

personally, i think any public traded or billionaire owned media outlet is intrinsically far right, but i can also understand drawing the distinctions along the lines of how things compare based on their reach. comparing NYT to bellingcat can't be fair because NYT can reach more eyes.

so basically, the distinction between you two is not who's wrong, it's about how you categorize who's wrong

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 10 points 16 hours ago

The US definition of liberal doesn't have much to do with actual freedom / liberalism, it's mostly conservatives that want free trade

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

USA Liberal ≡ Far Right Zionist ≡ Fascist

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

Imagine a carriage return in the middle there

[–] LodeMike 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Doesn't this make then legally liable for content in their ads?

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It's an editorial decision like any other, it's nothing new in legal terms

[–] LodeMike 1 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

So section 230 doesn't apply then.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

No truth in this paper of lies!