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Dog walker films winds lifting forest floor during Storm Babet in Scotland (www.bbc.co.uk)

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-67180162

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[-] david@feddit.uk 43 points 8 months ago

Fantastic video, but it winds me up when they add padding to a phone video to make it landscape, as if no one in existence might possibly be viewing their phone-generated content on a phone.

[-] LordOlgort@programming.dev 18 points 8 months ago

Yeah adding padding is always harmful. If the aspect ratio doesn't match it's not like the video breaks so just let the player deal with it. Anyone who has a problem with vertical videos isn't going to be any happier that you added bars to it. Who is this solution for?

[-] CeeBee@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

It's because the content was likely preprocessed for broadcast news. Which means normal 16:9 landscape format.

Vertical video has done nothing but introduce constant issues. I used to be a guide for Jeep runs, and I was also the video editor for the run videos (just clips from the run with music). And naturally you can't be everywhere, so 95% of the clips have to be recorded by everyone else. Even though they were told "don't record vertical video because we can't use it" they did so anyways, and were upset when we couldn't use their videos.

And to be clear, this isn't just a random video. We're talking about a large organized and legally registered club, so we kept everything to a certain standard of quality. Vertical videos are not suitable for anything except a phone.

[+] david@feddit.uk -15 points 8 months ago

Why can't you use it? Because your web designer isn't designing for the possibility that people use a phone to access the Web, but it's not 2004 any more and they're living in the past.

You showed your colours when you assumed that portrait video is of lower quality. It's only of lower quality if you've padded it out and are watching it on a landscape screen!

Technology to detect whether your webpage is being viewed landscape has existed for a long time, and takes very simple calculations indeed or just a splash or two of css to maximise the video size for whatever screen it's being viewed on. It's design laziness and wasted bandwidth to put the silly blurry bars or even black bars down the side of the video. But don't force landscape on everyone. Smart phones aren't new and they aren't going away.

I suspect that the majority of people who spend even a tiny bit more than half of their recreational screen time looking at a fixed landscape screen are well over thirty.

[-] CeeBee@lemmy.world 18 points 8 months ago

Why can't you use it?

Because TVs are landscape. These videos are shown at club events.

You showed your colours when you assumed that portrait video is of lower quality.

I never said it's lower quality. Not once.

Technology to detect whether your webpage is being viewed landscape has existed for a long time, and takes very simple calculations indeed or just a splash or two of css to maximise the video size for whatever screen it's being viewed on. It's design laziness and wasted bandwidth to put the silly blurry bars or even black bars down the side of the video. But don't force landscape on everyone. Smart phones aren't new and they aren't going away.

No one said anything about websites.

[+] david@feddit.uk -18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I never said it's lower quality. Not once.

No? This you?

we kept everything to a certain standard of quality. Vertical videos are not suitable for anything except a phone.

Totally not lower quality. Definitely not. There's a full stop and everything. No link whatsoever. My bad.

No one said anything about websites.

Well I think the rest of us are discussing a video on bbc.co.uk, which is a website, and we're doing it on lemmy.world, which is also a website, and when I complained about people making portrait videos landscape, I suspect most people correctly figured out that I meant on websites, so I really think it's just you that assumes we're talking about jeep club.

[-] kajdav@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

It's such a shitty experience if content can only be consumed on certain platforms, which is what it sounds like you're proposing.

Watching portrait footage on a TV sucks, dude.

[+] david@feddit.uk -9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

But the fuzzy bars on the side make it great?!?

Watching portrait footage that's been padded out to landscape on a portrait device is even worse!

I'm proposing that the web designer writes a responsive webpage when they are sent a portrait video to include, so that if it's viewed on a portrait device it fills the width, and when it's viewed on a landscape device it fills the height. If it's actually for telly, there's usually no harm in cropping a bit at the top and bottom and at that point, feel free to put whatever you like down the sides, but there's no need to throw away the portrait original for the portrait view of the website.

Like I already said, the technology for writing a webpage that looks different depending on the orientation of the device being used to view it is neither complicated nor new. There's no need to treat every medium the same in 2023.

[-] CeeBee@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Like I already said, the technology for writing a webpage

And yet most videos on websites are still proper horizontal. You can maximize and turn your phone. Everyone wins.

[-] david@feddit.uk -4 points 8 months ago

Yes, and that's great, it really is, but when the footage you have is portrait, don't pad it out to force landscape orientation on it irrespective of the orientation of the viewer's screen, just let portrait content be full size portrait when viewed on a portrait screen. That is the beginning, the middle and the end of my point. It's all I'm asking for.

[-] CeeBee@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Or just don't film in portrait.

[-] david@feddit.uk 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

And when anyone films in portrait, make sure to punish anyone trying to watch the footage with a similarly criminal portrait orientation, by putting borders round the side of the portrait content to force it to be landscape, thus shrinking the content to roughly a ninth of their screen, unless they switch to the blessed landscape orientation when it will fill a glorious third of the screen. Let no one watch it full size for the creator thereof has sinned against the gods of landscape.

This is the right and proper punishment for content creators who break the landscape law: let no one see this video fullscreen, for they have sinned against landscape. https://ibb.co/x2MQQG2 let the borders of landscape wrath descend and pad, and let fullscreen be disabled for all, for if landscape viewers are denied fullscreen EVERYONE MUST SUFFER.

Oh, or you could just skip the fuzzy bars in portrait mode if you're feeling more accommodating to phone users.

[-] CeeBee@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

Or just film in landscape and everyone wins.

[-] david@feddit.uk -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Alright, you win, I'll never use my phone in portrait ever again, especially not to film my dog in a storm. I'll make sure I turn that baby right to your preferred orientation and I'll stop complaining about pointless bars at the side of other people's portrait content.

If you want, I can go back through my canara roll and delete everything that's in portrait just in case I'm ever tempted to sell it to a news organisation. I'll make sure to only ever post landscape content to whatsapp, signal and especially tiktok and instagram, because otherwise some relative, friend or random Internet user might share it in portrait.

You're right. That's definitely a better solution than not putting annoying fuzzy bars on portrait content.

[-] CeeBee@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Glad you've seen the light. Go in peace.

[-] shasta@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

Someone note this moment in history. The war has finally been won

[-] Lophostemon@aussie.zone 40 points 8 months ago

It’s the trees root plates. Not really a safe thing to be around. Not very responsible to let doggo be endangered.

[-] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 4 points 8 months ago

I would be worried the dog would go underneath and get crushed/trapped

[-] Lophostemon@aussie.zone 1 points 8 months ago

Yes indeed.

[-] Nighed@sffa.community 21 points 8 months ago

I was mildly concerned about Jake being eaten by the angry Tree Ents for a bit there!

[-] pubertthefat@lemm.ee 12 points 8 months ago

Thought I was about to watch a dog die.

[-] Meho_Nohome@sh.itjust.works -2 points 8 months ago

Sorry for your disappointment

[-] verysoft@kbin.social 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's fab being in the forest when this happens, although dangerous, it's fun to walk along aha.

[-] Bz2486@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Mother Nature's toupee game is, not good

[-] RagnarokOnline@reddthat.com 2 points 8 months ago

Dang Scotland, you scary

[-] Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago

Why are the roots so shallow? Wouldn't the trees stop this from happening?

[-] paysrenttobirds@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

This is what I always wonder when they tell me a plant "tolerates clay soil". Like does it really? Or does it just avoid it by spreading out all its roots in the thin topsoil? This would seem to be the latter.

[-] Lexam@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago

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