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What is a good non-Apple phone to get? (hexbear.net)

submitted 6 months ago by rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net to c/technology@hexbear.net

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Yeah, so my phone is pretty much breaking and I need a new one. My mom convinced me to upgrade from my iPhone 8 to an iPhone 15 because we got a really steep discount, but goddamn I fucking hate this phone. I’m still using my iPhone 8 just because I really can’t stand the 15 at all, and the 8 was already a downgrade from the phone I had had before.

Well, I’ve wanted to get out of the Apple ecosystem for years and I think now might be the time. I feel okay about it since I really did get this iPhone 15 at a really nice discount so it’s not the hardest loss (also I’m pretty sure I can still return it, but even if not). But I know nothing about non-Apple phones. Is it possible to get a Xiaomi phone in the USA? Does Samsung still have issues with their phones exploding? Any insight is appreciated.

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[+] land@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

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[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 6 months ago

Yeah, any of the latest gen Pixel phones with GrapheneOS or LineageOS should be good for not being spied on by any corpos by default.

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

As much as I loath Google, this has been my MO since forever. Google's branded phones were originally targeted at developers, allowing you to unlock the boot loader and flash different versions of the OS for compatibility testing. This includes the ability to install third party firmware like LineageOS (among others) which strips out a lot of the proprietary Google shit but maintains compatibility with most Android applications. They started marketing them directly to consumers when they rebranded from Nexus to Pixel, but it still serves the same role in the application development ecosystem and the bootloader can still be unlocked trivially. On other phones, this process varies from trivial to practically impossible. Most phones distributed by the carrier will be locked down to some degree.

Whichever phone you choose, I recommend checking the LineageOS compatibility status and reviewing the instructions before purchasing.

[–] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Do any of those support expanded storage with an SD card?

[–] Red5@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not without a USB C dongle. So effectively no

[–] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

angry-hex

[–] trinicorn@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

not since the nexus one in 2010. Your data belongs on Google servers, not local storage

[–] Bobson_Dugnutt@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

marx-angry

[+] Inui@hexbear.net 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

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[–] gramxi@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

banana gate is much less funnier than it sounds. It's just a weird banana shaped blur.

I thought it would be related to how their software will accidentally add fake enhancements to moon-like objects, except it now makes every banana look like SpongeBob hentai.

[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I was with you at first when you mentioned OnePlus until you started recommending against Chinese phones in general for some reason

But thats the main issue with importing a Chinese version of those phones or importing a Xiaomi is that your signal will be terrible when everyone else is fine.

I have a OnePlus 11 5G and my signal is fine. Admittedly, I had to email my MVNO carrier directly to find out what APN to enter in order for data to work properly, but that is specific to the MVNO, not my phone.

Then some carriers may have trouble activating the phone for you.

It sounds like you've bad a bad experience. Carriers that require you to activate your phone are unnecessarily giving you extra hurtles, and this issue is generally limited to big carriers whose users don't know about MVNOs/don't know any better. Any respectable carrier will let you just insert your SIM card, maybe input an APN, and call it a day without having to activate anything.

I really don't recommend buying a phone without US carrier support or WiFi bands to save yourself a lot of trouble.

My OnePlus 11 5G reception and Wi-Fi support are excellent, and I really don't recommend counting out all Chinese phones because you, personally, weren't able to get them working

The main problem with Google is their phones are objectively worse hardware wise to just about every other brand at the same price

Agreed, Google's hardware is subpar, but that is a Google-specific problem. Several users have found (1, 2, 3) that their OnePlus cameras are better than iPhone cameras.

[+] Inui@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

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[–] trinicorn@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

yeah this is very true, although not universal. It's just worth at least researching ahead of time, or being prepared to try it out and return it if it doesn't work (which might involve significant shipping costs). Or just going with a US market device if that all seems like too much of a pain.

I bought a primarily chinese-market aimed device (low end and kinda old, so not directly comparable to a relatively new smartphone but still), and it does not have the correct LTE bands to get T-mobile or the VoLTE profiles for Verizon, so its definitely not an ideal experience though I have gotten some use out of it still. I haven't tried ATT but I don't think it will be better (and ofc MVNOs all piggyback off of the above)

[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I wasn't recommending against Chinese phones at all. And I made the mistake of assuming OP/anyone reading was in the US, when they might be from Europe or elsewhere where the phones work fine.

I'm US, and I bought my OnePlus phone directly from them online. I haven't noticed the issues you're talking about, but maybe that's because I use Wi-Fi for calling and apps whenever I can, and not carrier data.

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[–] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

Damn thanks for this answer. Yeah I really really want to go with Xiaomi, but that was my worry, that it’d be difficult to get working in the US. I’ve been researching people who have been able to use it in the us, but being that I sort of just need a phone at this point since this one is pretty much dead, I don’t really have the time to figure all that out.

Unfortunately I think I am in the end going to stay with Apple. One of my main issues with the 15 was that I found the screen very difficult to look at, even with low brightness. After poking around online it seems there are other people who have this issue, and it seems to have something to do with an OLED screen vs the lcd screen I have now. Apple does still have phones with an lcd screen (the se) so I think I’m just going to do with that.

However oneplus is also recommended for people with issues with OLED so I think right now I’m just going to stay in the Apple ecosystem, and then just try to be proactive about keeping my tech updated next time so I’m not trying to replace my phone when it’s pretty much broken, and probably go with oneplus. I’d prefer a Chinese phone anyway. Staying with Apple rn is just easier for my situation though.

[–] Strayce@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 6 months ago

Pixel with GrapheneOS. Installing is pretty easy and Google services are sandboxed so they don't have access to all your shit. Only downside is some banking and government apps won't run, but you can always just use the websites for that.

[–] communism@lemmy.ml 6 points 6 months ago

I've been using Google Pixels with GrapheneOS ever since the first Pixel and never regretted it. Does mean you need to buy Google stuff but:

a. you can buy it second-hand

b. not any worse than Apple

If you really want to avoid giving big tech companies your money and don't want to buy a Pixel second-hand for whatever reason, the FairPhone might appeal to you. You can install degoogled OSes on it too, so you're not locked to stock Android.

[–] pinguinu@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'd recommend some Chinese phone with LineageOS tbh. Xiaomi or OnePlus like some people said before are good, downsides are they may not be very new, and some phones are a pain in the ass to flash custom roms. The Pixels are cool but they're Google so kinda sus. I have a 7a and it's very good, it's just a good phone with no google bs for 300 bucks

[–] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

Xiaomi 11Ts are going for about $300 and are great. Mines been running for almost 3 years now and is still as snappy as day 1. Battery lasts about 2 days of regular use and even with heavy usage will still usually last all day.

The HyperOS is alright, but they do really want you to use their wallpaper app. Luckily rooting is easy and you can unlock the bootloader from the developer options screen.

Final plus is the fastboot splash screen is a communist rabbit fixing the android guy.

[–] chauncey@hexbear.net 2 points 6 months ago

Pixels are a fraction the cost of iphones