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text of tweetThe Stargate Project is a new company which intends to invest $500 billion over the next four years building new AI infrastructure for OpenAI in the United States. We will begin deploying $100 billion immediately. This infrastructure will secure American leadership in AI, create hundreds of thousands of American jobs, and generate massive economic benefit for the entire world. This project will not only support the re-industrialization of the United States but also provide a strategic capability to protect the national security of America and its allies.

The initial equity funders in Stargate are SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, and MGX. SoftBank and OpenAI are the lead partners for Stargate, with SoftBank having financial responsibility and OpenAI having operational responsibility. Masayoshi Son will be the chairman.

Arm, Microsoft, NVIDIA, Oracle, and OpenAI are the key initial technology partners. The buildout is currently underway, starting in Texas, and we are evaluating potential sites across the country for more campuses as we finalize definitive agreements.

As part of Stargate, Oracle, NVIDIA, and OpenAI will closely collaborate to build and operate this computing system. This builds on a deep collaboration between OpenAI and NVIDIA going back to 2016 and a newer partnership between OpenAI and Oracle.

This also builds on the existing OpenAI partnership with Microsoft. OpenAI will continue to increase its consumption of Azure as OpenAI continues its work with Microsoft with this additional compute to train leading models and deliver great products and services.

All of us look forward to continuing to build and develop AI—and in particular AGI—for the benefit of all of humanity. We believe that this new step is critical on the path, and will enable creative people to figure out how to use AI to elevate humanity.

At current prices of money, this project has to return 20 billion in profit, and likely operate on 50 billion revenue at least to cover the energy costs

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[–] mechwarrior2@hexbear.net 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/22/tech/elon-musk-trump-stargate-openai/index.html

Shortly after President Donald Trump announced a new massive AI infrastructure investment from the White House, “First Buddy” Elon Musk tried to tear it down.

“They don’t actually have the money,” Musk wrote on his social media platform X. “SoftBank has well under $10B secured. I have that on good authority.”

The companies involved in Stargate have not publicly disclosed how they will contribute the funds, but they don’t necessarily need the money in the bank to support it — they could raise debt or sign on other equity investors.

Altman replied directly to Musk’s claim on X, writing “wrong, as you surely know. want to come visit the first site already under way? this is great for the country. i realize what is great for the country isn’t always what’s optimal for your companies, but in your new role i hope you’ll mostly put (America) first.”

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Softbank - Japan! A freaking DEI investor! frothingfash /s

[–] StillNoLeftLeft@hexbear.net 2 points 10 hours ago

Oh gods I despise the edgy names the edgy grifters give all their edgy bs finance grift commodities.

Ooh look at me, it is I, the Oracle!

[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 15 points 17 hours ago

Heck yea burn all that capital in a big pit, that's gonna bring the growth back!

[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 17 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Stargate Project is such an insanely bad name for "building some datacentres". Could rich assholes stop claiming legal monopoly over the coolest words for their extremely uncool wastes of time and resources? If your project has nothing to do with gates between stars, then a just government should step in and tell you this ain't right.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 14 points 19 hours ago

They see AI as the next labourer. By achieving AI they seek to achieve something that will improve itself. And by improving itself, rapidly be capable of creating and improving new and existing products and systems. They imagine it creating the robot labour necessary for all things. They imagine it creating technology we can't even understand right now.

Their biggest fear is China achieving this before them.

[–] xia@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 14 hours ago

"Space Odyssey" would have been a better name, IMO. Why sully the Stargate franchise when there are so many manic-ai ones already?

[–] RaisedFistJoker@hexbear.net 23 points 21 hours ago

re industrialise the economy by doing more software development

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 43 points 1 day ago (2 children)

How the fuck are you going to re-industrialize by making the internet full of shit?

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 32 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

the good news is the US has been de-industrialized for so long people don't actually know what an industrialized economy is supposed to look like

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 16 points 23 hours ago

Industrialism is when you have chat bots. The more chat bots you have the more industrialism you have.

[–] here_to_prty@hexbear.net 14 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

They're going to make our brains rot until AGI can catch up with the new low bar of human intelligence.

[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 10 points 21 hours ago

Unfortunately for them, no amount of slop can make one as deluded the guys thinking a few more GPUs are gonna solve labor forever.

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 11 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)
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[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 15 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

It's to spy on us and autoflag every aspect of our lives like some minority report thingy isn't it?

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Can we implode it by gettjng the frothingfash to cry that U.A.E. investment into this is "Foreign Influence" affecting "National Security" and because they aren't lmayo it's DEI?

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 9 points 20 hours ago

That could be part of it but honestly I just think they're gonna piss away money on pie in the sky "AGI" projects that will never quite pan out.

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[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 14 points 20 hours ago

This feels like another "Space Race" to drain resources of all nations. This time around, it will lead to the Internet becoming exactly that place, cyberpunk books foreshadowed it to be.

[–] Flaps@hexbear.net 9 points 19 hours ago

Softbank lol

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 47 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think there is a possible outcome where the Internet and all connected devices become so saturated with AI bullshit that we just go back to talking to each other

[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago

It's already happening. Many of my friends have logged off/deleted accounts and are doing more IRL social things. I've loaded my schedule up with in-person events and hang out with people as often as I can. This is the only place on the internet (aside from pirate-jammin sites) that is worth looking at.

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[–] miz@hexbear.net 51 points 1 day ago (2 children)

the re-industrialization of the United States

oh wait, you're serious. let me laugh even harder

Doesn't the average data center require like, 4 employees?

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 29 points 1 day ago

re-aindustrialization quokka-wink

[–] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 56 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What are these hundreds of thousands of jobs? I swear the only reason capitalists are investing in AI is so they can try to get rid of workers

[–] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 36 points 1 day ago

Oh duh to build the infrastructure. Can't wait for the only jobs in the future to be back breaking labour to build AI infrastructure while the Earth burns

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fiber internet pls

:doomer:

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[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 53 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Lmao oh man the AI crash is going to hit the west haaaaard

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Softbank guarantees success, what are you talking about doggirl-lol

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[–] MidnightPocket@hexbear.net 20 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I'm beginning to think that "flipping" the geopolitical/economic board via rampant acceleration of climate change is the US's only real plan for re-asserting hegemony.

Fossil fuel industry expansion, refusal to adhere to Paris Agreement Accords, and now data-centers being plastered across the world burning electricity to enshittify the internet coupled with China going hard on developing renewables and harnessing sustainable energy to me signals that both nations know that there is no cooperation with the West on reduction of emissions, etc.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 29 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

There is no plan, there is just profits and stock evaluations (in this case, nvidia gimme), and grift. 60 year old dipshits are impressed by chat gpt talking cause that's what they do for work, they immediately think they have solved labor. kissinger invested in theranos as a reminder. These are not smart people, these are incredibly rich people who can warp society with pocket change

[–] AtmosphericRiversCuomo@hexbear.net 11 points 22 hours ago (9 children)

60 year old dipshits are impressed by chat gpt talking cause that's what they do for work, they immediately think they have solved labor

I'm sorry, I know this is a popular line of thinking around here, but this is off base.

What's actually happening is that humanity may very well have stumbled into discovering machine reasoning on a level that we haven't even realized yet.

The SOTA in this field as of a couple days ago is a Chinese open source project called Deepseek that just upended the entire industry and pantsed Sam Altman and Silicon Valley in front of the world. They're giving away the secret to their massively efficient results that are besting every benchmark, and have cracked a breakthrough unsupervised learning technique that is allowing these models to demonstrate powerful reasoning capabilities. This stuff isn't Google's botched AI telling you to smoke while pregnant, this is post-graduate mathematics.

This has been great for a couple reasons: 1. we get a lot more performance for less cost and power usage which is seriously bloomer news, and 2. it's been hilarious watching western chauvinists melt down over this massive flex out of China.

Read a good synopsis of the paper that just dropped if you're still thinking it's all a grift. I also hate a lot of the practitioners of this stuff as well as the additional strain on the grid and climate, but I'm telling you folks, this tech is legit and currently improving at an alarming rate!

[–] awth13@hexbear.net 20 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (5 children)

Lmao literally the paper in the link you shared says (emphasis mine) “DeepSeek- R1 achieves performance comparable to OpenAI-o1-1217 on reasoning tasks” next to a graph that shows that the benchmark performance is roughly the same as OpenAI – marginally better on some benchmarks and marginally worse on others.

It is the same stuff as “Google’s botched AI” but now partially open-sourced and slightly more efficient, the latter being the reason why it “upended the entire industry”.

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[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 16 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

You can keep banging this drum, and I understand what you are saying, but that isn't what we are talking about. We are talking about products and companies that companies like OpenAI and Softbank are creating and investing in. Products of which there is very little incentive for them to perfect, as then they will be out of the job, and companies that are likely little more than investment scams that will produce little results.

I mean, look at the rhetoric at it's face. Who the hell is going to fill those "hundreds of thousands of jobs"? Despite layoffs in the Midwest, we are still at basically full employment, and it's not as though secondary education is getting cheaper anytime soon. As usual, they are putting the cart before the horse, because they get paid either way when the government bails out their project.

There is no way for this project to succeed in the way they are claiming unless the U.S. actually pursues an educational and industrial policy mandate outside of what the 'market' dictates. They are building for a market that doesn't exist.

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[–] dinklesplein@hexbear.net 7 points 18 hours ago

i think the left has been reflexively anti-LLMs because they haven't been up until recently worth the squeeze, they're emblematic of the continued ignorance of the climate crisis, the worst techbros you know are all in on them, and they're antithetical to the intentionalist view of art, and it's a convenient excuse to cut down on labour costs which are all imo perfectly good reasons to dislike LLMs but i think people are a bit blind to how accurate they've become and still have a view of their tendency to hallucinate based on GPT-3.5 and the memes about google's search summary being confidently incorrect, the latter which is representative of the absolute cheapest bottom of the barrel LLM google has (gemini-flash) and not SOTA which admittedly google has not really pushed.

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[–] shath@hexbear.net 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

kind of a shit plan when it's going to decimate the already crumbling US infrastructure whilst making currently habitable areas of the US no longer habitable. As opposed to Russia, which climate change has the effect of making massive parts of it's landmass more tolerable to human habitation.

[–] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 11 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

thats when you (further) annex canada to no actual resistance

[–] shath@hexbear.net 9 points 19 hours ago

xi jinping place dongfeng 21 missile launchers within alberta to deter imperialism whilst setting up the western socialist state

[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

hundreds of thousands of jobs

Eat my whole ass.

It’s so that those of us who sell labor have no labor to sell.

[–] Hexamerous@hexbear.net 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The jobs openings will be in the rare-earth and coal mines needed to run the data centers. And they need to be supplied with pick-axes and gruel.

[–] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 2 points 6 hours ago

Grist for the mill, comrade. That is our future, and our past.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 13 points 22 hours ago

I am betting that they will make a shit ton on stocks, but the amount of actual infrastructure built is only a third of what is needed to make sure the project is successful.

[–] blame@hexbear.net 17 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

I don't understand how Softbank is so eager to lose so much money all the time

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[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago

I'm so tired of all of thiskiryu-pain

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