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OK, its not much of a dilemma but hey, made you click! While I was visiting family across the country I picked up a couple really REALLY good n64 controllers, like 9.5/10 sticks! Can't find anything like that where I live, no chance, but these were just on the rack at a retro game store for 30 Canadian dollars each!

For non-n64 heads, the controllers had one major design flaw (aside from the layout, which may be controversial but is a matter of taste.) The joystick and housing are both made of plastic, and even through gentle use, the plastic slowly erodes over time from friction with itself. That's why n64 controllers are pretty much ALWAYS dusty in the little joystick well, that fine powder is actually joystick powder. The result is loose sticks. Not drift like with newer controllers, the input interpretation isn't failing, but the stick itself becomes very slightly smaller and so is able to move and jiggle a bit before the mechanism is actuated. Pretty much every n64 controller you find nowadays has a loose stick. After almost 30 years, any controller that's been used much at all will have a little bit of slack. There are a variety of replacement options with various results.*

So now I have two like-new n64 controllers and am paralyzed by my good fortune. I know for a fact that I have to open them up and add lubrication to the parts that grind against each other. But obviously they have never been opened up, probably barely used too. The idea of opening them up and messing around in there fills me with dread. I just know that somehow I'll mess it up and what was a 9.5/10 stick will become just another old ass n64 controller.

I have really been conquering my ADHD paralysis lately, I've probably done more chores in a row in the last two weeks than I have in the last year. But I just can't crack open these bad boys and do what's right, nor can I play games with them knowing that they are unlubricated and therefore degrading with every movement. I might as well get them slabbed and put them on display because they are too perfect and unspoiled to use.

  • "GameCube" style replacement sticks have awful precision and deadzone. The current quality of new made controllers also have really bad precision. The Kitch-bent replacement parts I ordered were not the right size and needed to be filed down to fit properly. Brawler 64 types have different bad detection. I did actually find a type of whole replacement stick that doesn't work that bad, but still doesn't really feel the same as OEM. I can link to the Amazon page of the product if anyone needs a simple replacement for an original stick that can't be salvaged.
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[–] Dessa@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

OK, its not much of a dilemma but hey, made you click!

You fool, I always click the [+]

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago

I would go ahead and open it up and get a coating of superlube 21030 on the cup. You're not going to break it unless you're forcing something apart. And prevemptively getting lube on these will dramatically extend their useful life.

[–] dead@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My biggest gripe about the n64 controller is that the buttons get soft if you push them too much. I ruined a couple controllers trying to BLJ.

[–] AnExcellentSteelHorse@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

If you get something like these https://handheldlegend.com/products/n64-silicone-button-pads and replace them they should be good as new. The replacement membranes I've got work just as good as the originals. Broken controller could probably be used for parts here too, it probably broke in a different way than just bad buttons.

Edit: part of my reason for posting this was in the hopes that someone would see it and ask questions about their own n64 controllers. They are a precious resource!

[–] Acute_Engles@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Like they're official Nintendo controllers made when the n64 was contemporary? Going to make me cry if you open them but i also admire your enthusiasm for actual retro gaming so I'm conflicted

[–] AnExcellentSteelHorse@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They're pretty much LIKE new, but no they aren't sealed, they feel like they were barely used tho.

I'm not a collector, n64 is the only console I play on real hardware, and I use an ever drive, not real carts. Controllers are the thing I care about a lot tho. For most consoles I have USB or Bluetooth controllers that replicate the original feel, either the Nintendo switch online options or a ps3 controller for ps2, etc. The real n64 with s-video into a real CRT is the only extravagance I indulge myself with. I did preorder the analogue 3d and the NSO n64 controller is actually very good, so I'm looking forward to playing around with that, but n64 is a console that benefits a lot from a real CRT, so I "need" good real controllers

This image jumped into my head as you describe how you're not a collector. Not the whole image, just the original post, actually.

But I think you should open that sucker up, lube it, and enjoy the good thing in your life until all that's left is the normal stuff again. Create a good memory and laugh when you think back on it.

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The N64 really is one of those consoles that is a better experience with OG hardware.

[–] AnExcellentSteelHorse@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Getting an s-video cable was one of the best decisions I've ever made, lol. It looks really good through a decent CRT. Its still a very blurry console but the extra bit of visual fidelity makes a huge difference.

I'm not opposed to upscaling if its done really well, playing the switch online n64 games with the switch online n64 controller is a really good experience. But I have no interest in playing those games, I'm really enjoying diving deep into the library.

[–] Beaver@hexbear.net 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Nintendo's native support of S-video on their consoles SNES onward has been a blessing in this era. Not only does it look really good on late era CRTs, but it even looks decent LCD TVs with S-video.

Oh for real. I got one on a whim and used it with an LCD first and it was already a major improvement. Once I tried it on a CRT I knew I had to set it up somewhere permanently. Really smooths out the n64s combination of jaggyness and blurriness lol

[–] FidelChadstro@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think OP means open up the plastic of the controller itself, not opening the original packaging.

I've got about a half dozen ancient controllers with joysticks ranging from useless to pretty decent from years of intense super smash bros. Maybe you can just poof some dry silicone lube in there and call it a day? These things are made to be played with after all, let them fulfill their purpose.

And congrats on the haul

[–] AnExcellentSteelHorse@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, they aren't sealed (though I would absolutely open them if they were, the allure of playing with a 10/10 stick is too great. Maybe when communism comes I'll take an extra dangerous job to earn the privilege.)

Its possibly to just squirt some lube in from outside and call it a day, but I really SHOULD open it and get to the parts you can't reach from there. It would be irresponsible to let these controllers degrade any faster than they have to.

Edit: I just noticed you said dry lube, I dont know anything about that, does it work pretty good? Would it maybe distribute itself better than a liquid lube?

[–] FidelChadstro@hexbear.net 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sorry I'm in a bit over my head. I know dry lubes exist and they're useful because they don't get sticky, but I have no expertise or experience using them in a controller and I would feel bad if they caused issues. Hopefully a better informed poster can weigh in

I'll look into it before I take any action, thanks for the idea!

[–] alexandra_kollontai@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Go for it. Check a video first if you're scared. It'll go great, I opened my Game Boy Pocket to fix an issue with its buttons too. I was shocked how easy it is to open old tech.

[–] KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 days ago

Older products used older assembly line automation, and older material science products were inherently less complex because we simply lacked the ability to form things that way.

oh no this is like exactly the type of thought nonsense i would fall into...

i would probably ultimately settle on opening one up and lubing it up and keeping the others sealed

either way good luck! and good find! i've never even seen an OEM n64 controller irl lol