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[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

All companies want open standards and regulation of the big players when they’re small. All companies want high barriers to entry and regulation of the small players when they’re big.

All companies want what is best for them. In that matter, they differ very little from people.

[–] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Corporations are people didn't you know?

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not in the country I live, luckily.

[–] drwho@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't worry. The US will fix that.

[–] reric88@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago

America, fk yeah, coming again to save the mother fkn day, yeah

[–] Paradachshund 1 points 1 year ago

The difference is in their amount of leverage.

[–] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I used to give Google money for services (Drive and YouTube), but I've already stopped doing that because of their evil ways. This just hammers it home that much more.

Edit: The shitty part is what a cool company it used to be. And to watch it destroy itself like this is just sad.

[–] Siddhartha-Aurelius@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is my biggest complaint. They were the best way to access the sum of all human knowledge. Now I NEVER find things relevant to my search, just things that can be sold to me. Things like the “-“ character no longer work. I still get the excluded term in top results. It garbage now and everyone at google is to blame not just the executives.

[–] beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago

I took my money from YouTube and started giving it to Kagi. 🙂👍

[–] jherazob@beehaw.org 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is the year of enshittification, isn't it? Damn every company has pushed the pedal to the metal on it

[–] tVxUHF@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago

It's because interest rates went up and the free VC money tap was turned off so all these companies have to actually turn a profit, so they're squeezing us with every lever they control.

[–] drwho@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

The cat's out of the bag. Gotta grab everything before folks try to stop them.

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It definitely feels like a transition period for the whole Internet. Tech platforms finally reached their maximum user potential and scale, so now it's time to turn the screws.

They all think we need them, so now we figure out if they're right.

[–] grooving@lemmy.studio 2 points 1 year ago

They weren't. Source: time traveler from the future

[–] Computerchairgeneral@kbin.social 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly, this is about what I expect from Google nowadays. It's surprising when they manage to live up to the "Don't be Evil" motto they used to have.

[–] Luke_Fartnocker@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's a reason they got rid of that motto.

[–] dan@upvote.au 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

They never got rid of it though. I don't understand why people keep repeating this. See the final paragraph here: https://abc.xyz/investor/google-code-of-conduct/

[–] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They might as well have though 🙃

[–] Quexotic@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

don't be evil and if you see something, speak up

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=google+whistleblower+fired

Oh really Google?

[–] Jummit@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It's double speak. The translation is "We are evil and if you say something about what you see, we will silence you.".

[–] Luke_Fartnocker@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait, that's the government's stance also.

[–] Jummit@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

Are you beginning to see things more clearly now?

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[–] Omniraptor@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

They removed it from the main body as like, an organizing principle. and left it in only one sentence at the end. https://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-dont-be-evil-from-1826153393

[–] dan@upvote.au 2 points 1 year ago

Sure, that's different to totally removing it though.

[–] Luke_Fartnocker@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I heard several news stories stating that they had, but I guess that's my fault for believing the news. I just assumed they would get something right eventually.

[–] arthur@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago

Expect this and they killing some of their products.

[–] bedrooms@kbin.social 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's-not-corruption-if-it's-law approach?

[–] Siddhartha-Aurelius@kbin.social 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s a form of regulatory capture and is taught is all business schools.

[–] Gsus4@feddit.nl 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At this point what they learn in business schools is the full bestiary of legal and illegal tricks and scams you can use to extract money from us cattle and contribute as little as possible to the upkeep :(

[–] jeremy_sylvis@midwest.social 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Regulatory capture seems about on par for Google these days. I suppose I'll be switching back to OnePlus for Android devices; that'll be about it for Google stuff in my home.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] jeremy_sylvis@midwest.social 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Suddenly, I miss the old days of Android. I suppose it's back to CyanogenMod or whatever it is these days

[–] Siddhartha-Aurelius@kbin.social 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Direct replacement for Cyanogen would be Lineage. There are dozens of decent ROMs to try though.

I still opted for iOS in the end. As much shit as Apple pulls, they did 6 year software updates when only flagship Androids got 3 and they aren't generally trying to dominate the Internet.

[–] Siddhartha-Aurelius@kbin.social 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nobody outside a select few know the real dirt inside the proprietary code that Apple puts out. Open source is the only truth that you can see for yourself. Apple is the antithesis of open source.

[–] winky88@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Open source is only as useful as the contributors and reviewers. Finding things after the fact helps noone.

People need to stop revering open source as the solution to humanity's problems and treat it as a useful tool, nothing more.

You’re right.

I like to peruse code and have read a lot of it from the sources that make it available. It’s not always the languages I know but even then I can get the idea of what most of it is doing. There are some code bases that are too big for any one person to fully comprehend. That said, I think the only way for one to be confident in open source is to read it yourself which is a problem for most as coding knowledge is not common combine with the size of some.

So it’s always going to be trusting trust for most people. The fact that it is open source and makes available the code for review limits malice to a much greater degree than proprietary ever will.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

You are correct it is only a tool, sadly it is the only viable tool tho

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[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Running it now it is great.

[–] Adanisi@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 year ago
[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone seems to be missing an obvious detail- there was a related and even more dangerous piece of legislation reintroduced recently. It's known as the Kids Online Safety Act (KOSA), and that would have immense impacts on Google's (specifically, YouTube's) operations.

This is an example of them trying to claim the other bill isn't needed, because they can self-regulate. You'll notice how this also purports to protect kids, but in a way that is much easier and cheaper for Google to implement.

[–] vriska1@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Its deeply worrying development seeing Google came out with the narrative saying they are against mandated age verification while secretly saying they do support it atleast that what I get from this article.