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Just a little reminder.

Pisses me off to no end that they use the Canadian identity for marketing when they sold out decades ago.

Also their coffee and food has been shit for a long time too, coincidence? I think not.

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[–] KingOfTheCouch@lemmy.ca 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

This is a good little video about how they got to the point they're at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ58noGoBm4

They are basically the poster child of enshittification (as far as Canadian restaurants go anyway).

[–] epicstove@lemmy.ca 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

There's a tiny café owned by a couple literally right around the corner from the nearest Tim's to me.

It's definitely a little pricier but FAR better quality. They've also got crapes and waffles and stuff. But sometimes I'll just go in for a cappuccino.

I've become probably their best customer since I go there so often. Despite the fact that Tim's is closer and cheaper.

Not only is it Canadian (plus some European products) it's a local business. All the better.

Edit: That being said, Tim's is cheap so that usually what I'll have when the café isn't an option. It's not American owned thankfully. I wish it was still Canadian though.

[–] paperBark@slrpnk.net 1 points 16 hours ago

Definitely, the quality difference is unbelievable!

I find most of the people I know that complain cafés are too expensive drink drip anyways and it seems to be about the same price everywhere 🤷‍♂️. Its $2.16 for a large drip at Tim's here, and $2-$3 at most every local café I've ever been to apart from really bougie ones.

People just see the $4-6+ milk drinks and blended frozen drinks (with real ingredients, apples-oranges) and get sticker shock compared to Tim's fake whipped topping and sweetener sludge (sorry, "iced capp") for $4.19 when they could be enjoying much better drip in the meantime for effectively the same price.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I saw Pepsico use Canada brand advertising for Doritos. Was really confusing why they thought it would work

[–] i_stole_ur_taco@lemmy.ca 58 points 2 days ago (13 children)

(Engage old fart mode)

It wasn’t that long ago that Tim Hortons restaurants baked their own donuts in house. Fresh all the time. It was their draw.

Fast forward and they truck in everything frozen from a manufacturing plant. Things aren’t made there anymore - they’re thawed and assembled. And it tastes like it.

They used to be legendary for their coffee, but a few years ago they let their agreement with their coffee supplier to lapse. McDonald’s scooped it right up which suddenly put McCafe on the map. Tim’s found a new supplier but the coffee wasn’t nearly as good.

Aren’t a bunch of their franchises also under investigation for Temporary Foreign Worker program abuse?

It’s just been death by a thousand really stupid cuts.

[–] puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I worked there during the frozen donut transition. A few really cool stoner night bakers got let go from my store.

[–] paperBark@slrpnk.net 0 points 16 hours ago

And replaced with cheap, exploitable TFWs!

[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago

In Cobourg, Ontario, a Tim Hortons store got into the news because after the minimum wage was raised they cut their employees benefits.

The interesting part was that the store was owned by the son of one of the Tim Hortons founders and the daughter of the other founder, who had married. There was a bit of a backlash, to put it mildly.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The term is 'enshittification' and it's practically the default business strategy for extracting cash from brand value.

Buy/make a good company by offering a quality service and then spend the next decade cutting costs until the product is terrible.

Most people won't notice the incremental changes. It's often likened to boiling a frog.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 21 hours ago

that's not what that means

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I never cared for Tim Horton's coffee, so I didn't mind the change.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Most people don't really drink coffee they drink coffee flavoured cream and sugar. This is why the Starbucks milk drinks are so popular. The quality of the underlying coffee is less important when you double double everything.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

That wasn’t a thing in Canada for the longest time

Old people (millennials +) would still associate that with Americans

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, I had Mink reverse press coffee. It is amazing, and adding milk or cream hides the amazing flavour. Technically they are a chocolatier.

[–] sik0fewl@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

I do drink mine black. I like cream, but I hardly need the extra calories!

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

Tim Hortons have been pooping (autoassume changed that from popping, but I'm fucking leaving it!) up here in the UK, not loads of locations, and weirdly not in some of the places you'd expect. First one was in Glasgow, I believe, but there still aren't any in Edinburgh, or London. I work up the Forth Valley from Edinburgh, and there's one in the town I work in, and two more within a 20-30 minute drive. So it seems to be mostly small towns and Glasgow with a Tims.
Doughnuts are the same pish quality as back home, but the (drip) coffee is surprisingly way better! Pretty sure they had to step up their game because they didn't already dominate the "pop in for a to go cuppa" market here. They're also one of the few places I've seen here in the UK where you can get a filter coffee.
I'm participating in the US product boycott from here, in solidarity with my family and nation. Just thought the difference between quality here vs home was interesting.

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[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ugh seriously? So like where can I go fast food wise that IS Canadian owned? Harvey’s and AnW and Swiss chalet?

I don’t eat a lot of fast food but when I do Tim Hortons has been my go to. I’m not supporting American owned so I guess there goes that.

[–] paperBark@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Mary Brown's has good chicken. Big Mary Monday deal used to be good, don't have any around here now.

A&W is awesome. Canadian ones are locally owned by franchisees and it shows in the quality. Antibiotic free run Canadian chicken last I checked. Free run Canadian eggs. Good quality Canadian beef. Canadian vege for the most part I think... All for the same price as the slop served at other fast food joints these days. The coffee isn't my favourite but I know lots of people that like going there for breakfast and don't seem to mind. Usually has a decent sit down atmosphere for breakfast. Lots of them host car meets still in the summer.

I WISH Robin's Donuts was still around. Unfortunately Timmies all but put them out of business before enshittifying. I randomly found one up around Lake Superior a couple years ago in some small town if I remember right. They must have bought out the location and kept it going. They were still baking fresh donuts in house, had the same mugs, same coffee. It was like stepping into a time capsule and made me loathe what capitalism has done to Timmies.

For coffee you are usually best finding whatever local non-chain café you like best and stick with that. If I'm visiting somewhere I'm not familiar with I just search for a non-chain café and get to try some new coffee.

If you really like the chain coffee shop vibe I believe Blenz and Second Cup are both decent Canadian founded and owned still, maybe someone else can confirm, I can't find the details rn

Edit: to add emphasis

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I randomly found one up around Lake Superior a couple years ago in some random small town if I remember right.

Was there a bunch of Winnie the Pooh stuff around? I fell off the (caffeine) wagon at that very location.

[–] Glitterbomb@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You can't just write a line like that and not tell the story. What did Pooh do to you?

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

White River is a small town on the north shore of Superior. It has a bunch of Pooh kitch as his birthplace (not Winnipeg as one might assume), and a Robin's on the Transcanada.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 1 points 15 hours ago

Hey! I wonder if Robin's is named after Christopher!!

[–] sorrybookbroke@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

As for fast food, Harveys is Canadian by my understanding. So is Mary browns (my favourite) which isn't even available in America last time I checked

Tim Hortons isn't American owned, but technically brazillian of you go by the major shareholderof the toronto headquartered company.

Still though, it's heavily degraded over the years and isn't in actuality Canadian owned.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At this point the only Canadian thing about them is in showing how dumb we can be.

I know people who go there, complain about the coffee but go there out of nostalgia ...... on a daily basis.

They aren't buying a brand, a product or even food ... they're just buying a memory.

[–] CowsLookLikeMaps@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At this point the only Canadian thing about them is in showing how dumb we can be.

* Buys Tim Horton's.
* Proceeds to vote for Doug Ford and Pierre Poilievre.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

That's it! .... that's the reason! ... fanatical conservatism in the Tim Horton's coffee!!!!!

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Yup! Their coffee has noticeably degraded since.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Returning from Europe to Canada one of the first things that strikes me is how crappy Canadian fast food all is. Even in the UK, which was once famous for bad food, there are all kinds of places now to get good food and drinks on the go. When you get back to Canada it's so grim to see only Tim Hortons in the airport, with its overpriced stale pastries, leathery donuts and tasteless coffee.

[–] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It's because they can afford to. I remember pre-covid a local gem restaurant bought up a spot in the airport, did well. Covid hit and they didn't have the money to support a location while air travel was at a low. Plus extra costs associated with running a restaurant during a pandemic.

There were other, complex reasons, too. The owners were assholes, some employees spoke out about working conditions, and they had a PR nightmare. But honestly, it was good food.

Still, all those problems would be a blip on the chart for a company like Tim Hortons who can get away with shit quality and shit conditions ad infinitum.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

The only decent fast food I've had lately is A&W, specifically their breakfast.

They at least make their breakfast the same way I would at home, so it's decent.

McDonald's is awful and has only gotten more expensive. Tim's is meh, I get tim bits and hot chocolate occasionally.

I've found Canadian pastry does not compare with European, which is unfortunate. I think the extra moisture content in our butter means traditional pastry recipes do not translate as well.

[–] tunetardis@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

I guess I'm mostly a Harvey's guy as far as Canadian fast food chains are concerned. Pizza, subs, shawarma, etc. are up there too, though there are too many of those to list.

My daughter took me to Odd Burger when I was up in Ottawa and I could totally get into that if only we had one where I am.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I live in the UK, one thing I'll say on this specifically, McDonalds here tastes like it's shit food that's too expensive. In Canada it tastes like shit, but it almost tastes like you're not being bent over the counter and having your pockets turned out.
There's definitely some cities here that have a massive selection of different take away places. London, the only thing I miss about London is the variety of different foods. If I get stoned and drunk and feel like Ghanaian at midnight, it's likely I'll be able to get it. Might be cold, but it'll turn up. I'm in Edinburgh now, and while there's definitely a growing selection of foods, it's still mostly variations of greasy white people food. Take away in the vast majority of medium to small cities is exactly like Canadian cities of similar size, Chinese delivery, 1 or 2 pizza shops almost certainly one will be Domino's, some Indian delivery, 3-10 chippies, and McDonald's, Burger King or both.

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[–] hddsx@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (4 children)

So as a non Canadian that frequents Ontario and BC, are there any Canadian-owned coffee places I can look for?

I liked Timmy’s because they even have one in Blue Mountain village and a lot of the middle of nowhere roads I have to drive to get there

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Second Cup

They're based in Mississauga but have changed hands a lot in their history.

I think Balzac's is Canadian too. There's are kids of independent coffee shops that are good.

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They are Canadian, but I really hate their coffee.

There aren't many left in Montreal because independent coffee houses / shops are competing hard with them.

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[–] lemmy_see_your@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Grappling7155@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Northern Ontarian detected

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

BC has Waves, Serious Coffee, Island Grind, Blenz, JJ Bean, and more but thats what I can recall off the top of my head.

Ottawa has Bridgehead

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[–] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Restaurant Brands International owns them along with Burger King, Popeye’s Chicken, and Firehouse Subs. They are headquartered in Toronto, Canada.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restaurant_Brands_International

[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And they are almost wholly owned by 3G Capital, a Brasilian conglomerate. RBI is just a technicality.

[–] daq@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 day ago

30% according to Wikipedia. Where's your info from?

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago

Oh, is that why Popeyes has been crap for a long while now?

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