The headline is the least interesting part of the interview. Basically, everything is so curated and pre-planned, it's hardly a debate. The politicians are playing to TV.
His thoughts on decision making, national unity, and the state of the country were more interesting to me. Especially when he broke out of a partisan mindset. Particularly when he hints how media has become lazy in searching social media and blowing things up from a relatively minor part of the population, rather than doing journalistic work. When he was PM, those discussions happened in the community bar. If you weren't present, you missed the discussion entirely.