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Trump just presided over one of the greatest diplomatic disasters in modern history, with flared tempers, raised voices, and shredded protocol.

Never before has a U.S. president bullied and berated an adversary, never mind an ally, in such a public way.

During a tense Oval Office meeting, Trump and JD Vance attacked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, demanding he accept a peace deal with Russia or lose U.S. support.

The conversation devolved into shouting, with Trump accusing Zelenskyy of being ungrateful and “gambling with World War III.”

The meeting ended in chaos, with no agreement reached.

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[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 17 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I’m glad we get to see this shameful display. I wouldn’t talk lto a dog like that, much less the democratically elected leader of another sovereign nation that’s an ally. The US used to be a beacon of freedom and diplomacy, but clearly we shouldn’t expect that from the current regime.

Europe will keep supporting Ukraine regardless, but it really is in the US’ interests to stay involved in this conflict. It’s disconcerting that Trump can’t seem to grasp that basic fact.

[–] robbinhood@lemmy.world 2 points 21 minutes ago

It's also just so weak.

Not that macho'ism should be a major point or even desirable trait for a world leader IMO, but so many people like Trump because he's allegedly strong. Yet when I watch the above clip I just keep thinking "he's so weak and soft and overly sensitive to essentially everything." Like how can you want a tough leader, then watch that exchange and think "Trump is tough." What?

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

If the Europe had any sense of self respect the US embassies would be closing everywhere right now just like the russian ones.

[–] robbinhood@lemmy.world 1 points 24 minutes ago* (last edited 20 minutes ago)

Trump sucks, I hope Ukraine wins,and I hope Putin is judged by history for his aggression and the general incompetence of his government.

But very few Russian embassies were ever closed, and rightly so. Some were downsized and suspected spies were given the boot. If Europe wants to do that with Americans, yeah smart.

Outright closing embassies would be a massive misstep, completely (edit: unwarranted, I mean) warranted, and miss the entire point of diplomacy.

[–] clot27@lemm.ee 1 points 4 minutes ago

That was crazy

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 1 points 21 minutes ago

What a shit show...

This is the weakness of modern democracies... You, as Putin, can just wait for 4 years and there will maybe be an idiot in power, who.ruins everything done before.

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 3 points 59 minutes ago

That was harder to watch than Isis beheadings

[–] aldfin@lemm.ee 19 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Good job America! Proud of y’all for once again standing up for your values of oppression and greed.

[–] commander@lemmings.world 4 points 1 hour ago

So true.

The democrats would rather have trump than Bernie.

[–] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 hours ago (4 children)

"Democracy dies on live TV" - wow that headline hits hard.

[–] slampisko@lemmy.world 17 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It says Diplomacy, but both are fitting actually

[–] JOMusic@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 hour ago

Ah cheers, misread that!

[–] Loce@lemmy.world 2 points 53 minutes ago

First time i read it I thought it says "Democracy dies on live TV"... not far from it i guess...

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 16 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I just saw an ad for G20, a fiction where some terrorists kidnap all the leaders of the G20 at the meeting. But don't worry, the US president frees herself, and she's going full Liam Neeson to free everyone and get revenge.

LOL completely unbelievable

What would instead happen with the US president that is in charge now: if you free me I will help you with all your requests and I will personally execute the hostages

[–] MonkeMischief 6 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I've heard shows like Madam Secretary and The West Wing be considered, akin to Star Trek, "competence porn."

The idea, the fantasy, that the people making the critical decisions that affect so many people are consulting experts, weighing heavy costs, consulting the law, and are kept up at night because they care so deeply for making the best call they can so they don't let down all those who depend on them. These characters have been role models for leadership for generations at this point.

And here we are, in a complete fever dream of a failed state: With a convicted felon and failed reality show TV personality, his foreign billionaire handler, and a weak spineless, loud little dweeb we all forgot was even vice... burning the last vestiges of peace and goodwill all around themselves, handing us and our allies over in a competition with other fascists to be the world's worst enemies, screaming at world leaders, destroying the environment out of spite, and heck, shilling beans from the oval office. Because why not.

Who's close enough to this to do something about it? Where are the competent ones who will regain control of the bridge from these terrorists? Yeah, where's our "G20 president"?

Well, I just remembered, we need to support people like Governor Janet Mills of Maine , and empower anyone any everyone who will stand up against this bullying.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 3 points 33 minutes ago

Fucking Idiocracy is competence porn at this point, Camacho was an idiot but damn was he actually really competent if you think about the events of the movie.

[–] mdurell@lemmy.world 55 points 3 hours ago (5 children)
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[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 52 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

There can be absolutely zero doubt that Trump is a Russian stooge

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 55 minutes ago

He doesn't have to be Russian stooge to be evil, and to behave like one too

[–] charade_you_are@sh.itjust.works 40 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think "tried to bully Zelensky" would have been a little more accurate. Of course Trump and Vance failed at that too. All they're good at is manipulating the most stupid people on the planet. If I was morally depraved, I bet I could do it pretty easily too.

[–] MonkeMischief 5 points 38 minutes ago

Imagine calling a world leader, who's kinda busy leading his nation through a brutal war against his nation, halfway across the planet, just to yell at him on camera like they're on some Fox News shouting-heads hitpiece, for not selling out his country and giving in to the butchers.

Seriously, even for the world's stupidest people, where is the "Okay, wow, you just don't do that, sir." Line?

When does "Defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC." come into play? Seriously, someone please tell me, what do these chodes gotta do to get treated as the terrorists they are?

When do the sworn-in armed forces say "Alright, that's it." and draw down on this gang of heinous criminals and execute them for treason to prevent the world from slipping any further into chaos?

Do we gotta hope for (a successful) Op: Valkyrie 2025??

[–] roofTophopper@lemmy.world 28 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know what it can be, but every ounce of me hates both of these men. I don't even want to call them men. I can't think of a possible way that they could suffer and feel the emotion of helplessness and sorrow. Whatever would happen, I don't think they'd care. They literally wouldn't care - because they have the mindset that they are invincible and can have whatever they want.

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 13 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I think Tolkien has words for the corrupted, the lesser beings that are greedy agressive morons, "orcs"

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I would say they are more like ringwraiths - twisted shadows of men bound to a larger evil, Putin.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan 2 points 1 hour ago
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