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Summary

Trump and Zelenskyy's confrontational Oval Office meeting advanced "mob boss foreign policy" serving Russian interests.

Trump and Vance bullied Zelenskyy when he refused their "extortionate" minerals deal or to thank them despite Trump's stated intent to reduce support for Ukraine.

Zelenskyy effectively countered their claims by noting Russia's 2014 invasion and correcting historical inaccuracies, which angered the Americans.

This represents the first openly “anti-US, anti-Western, anti-democracy foreign policy in American history.” Russians embraced it, and Putin ally and former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev celebrated the exchange.

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[–] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

He did something much worst then humiliating x or y. Everyone already knew he is a clown, but he pretty much blown any credibility USA still had as a partner for anything, see also tariffs and threatening 2 allies (Canada and Greenland)

This is Don Corleone beheivior, I give you 100 billions in old military equipment and you give me 500 back, really?

Also, USA offered security guarantees on '90s when Ukraine gave back the nukes to Russia. Officials didn't forget that, maybe Trump did.

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Trump would say that the deal was done under incompetent old management and it is not valid under him. As if the government is now his and not the old.

[–] sasquatch7704@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Ok, then his validation as president was done by the same incompetent old management and it's not valid.

He can say what he wants. International treaties are international treaties. If you break them you loose your credibility, if you still have any after threating to invade your allies.

[–] ben_dover@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

at this point, the rest of the world should start phasing out and blocking anything American. can't rely on the looney bin for critical infrastructure.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

Føtex in Denmark is to start marking American products, so now it's easier to know if you're buying something American or something European.

I think Canada is also going to make a few trade deals with us.

[–] jmsy@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago

half the voting population thinks trump did humiliate zelensky

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 37 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

The idea that Zelensky should owe the US anything is darkly hilarious. The US has been using this war to further its own geopolitical aims, without regard for Ukrainian lives. "Pay us back for the privilege of being a sacrificial pawn of US foreign policy". Gross.

[–] asdfbla@lemmynsfw.com 11 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

To add to that: Even from a purely military perspective, the intelligence gain regarding modern tactics far offsets what the US paid for it

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 2 points 8 hours ago

Trump is a vulgar minded criminal who only thinks in terms of money and cash.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 2 points 12 hours ago

There is so much in this direction. For a fraction of the budget, you could obliterate both the Russian army and economy, without losing any soldiers. What an opportunity, what a deal. Unless you're owned by Russia, of course.

[–] CumMagottySattanFart@lemmy.cafe 3 points 12 hours ago

The united states is a clown of a country for three decades.

[–] Elkot@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

America humiliated itself by voting this orange twat back in

[–] Godthrilla@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

We tried not to, I promise you. Our voting system is ...problematical, at best

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 3 points 11 hours ago

So is social media, and the openness of free societies to internal (the rich owning the media) and external (foreign adversaries) tampering. Spreading misinformation, eroding trust in institutions and truth itself, poisons like that.

Many democracies are crumbling this way. We yet have to find an effective antidote.

Regardless of the voting system, there still is a worryingly large portion of voters who were corrupted to serve other's interests. And that is true to all (?) countries. That not just any two democracies fall first, but GB and US, kind of shows us that it could be anyone.

So while it is easy to look down on the fallen, or feel ashamed to be that - we're helpless in this together. Hate to end like that.

[–] liuther9@feddit.nl 4 points 15 hours ago

Illusion of choice

[–] DTguess@lemmy.ca 11 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The U.S. citizens bought the ticket now it's time to take the ride.

[–] winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 10 hours ago

I'd like a refund please, I didn't agree to this.

[–] roofTophopper@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

100% knew this shit would happen. Knew he was going to take this all as some massive win. His cronies probably all patted him on the back and gladly licked his nuts.

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