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There is no way the Supremely Corrupt Court let's countries start suing US gun manufacturers.
I think they would if more CEOs get gunned down.
Even then - I doubt it.
But it's probably still worth testing that experiment... for science
The NRA was suddenly in favor of gun control after the Black Panthers started patrolling with guns.
The NRA was suddenly in favor of gun control after the Black Panthers started patrolling with guns.
I despise the NRA but this kind of revisionist history needs to be called out.
First off prior to 1977 the NRA had an established history of supporting Gun Control. It didn't suddenly pop into being because of the Black Panthers.
Second when the Mulford Act was passed in 1967 it started a sea change at the NRA that culminated with the "Revolt at Cincinnati" in 1977. The NRA as an organization supported Mulford, like it had other Gun Control legislation for at least 50 years, but it's very clear that their membership did NOT and they took over the organization to keep it from continuing.
Today's NRA is a completely different beast than the one that existed in 1967. It's primary faults are that it got corrupt as fuck and that it's entirely silent whenever there's a conflict between lawful gun owners and law enforcement.
Regardless, the point stands. The NRA wasn't "suddenly in favor of gun control after the Black Panthers", it already had multi-decade history of supporting Gun Control.
Interesting history lesson.
So, is your stance that a leftwing armed resistance movement shooting CEOs wouldn't cause the right-wing gun lobby to support gun control like they used to?
So, is your stance that a leftwing armed resistance movement shooting CEOs wouldn’t cause the right-wing gun lobby to support gun control like they used to?
No group is a monolith, especially groups numbering in the tens of millions, so of course some number of right-wing gun owners would suddenly swing to supporting gun control however those folks would be in the minority. I simply can't foresee the majority of right-wing gun owners suddenly regaining their appetite for gun control in anything less than literal decades.
With that answered what about the left-wing anti-gun lobby? Since essentially every politician to the the left of US Representative Brian Fitzpatrick has been on a decades long crusade for ever increasing gun control how would they react to more CEO shootings?
What the rank and file gun owners want seems kind of irrelevant, I think the ones who actually write and pass laws will disregard whatever they think to protect their own interests.
With that answered what about the left-wing anti-gun lobby?
There is no significant left wing in the US.
The liberal antigun lobby would go insane, of course, but it's not like they'd change any of their positions. They'd still want stricter gun control regardless of the material reality.
What the rank and file gun owners want seems kind of irrelevant,
That an interesting viewpoint given the decades those rank and file gun owners have spent fighting an uphill battle to forestall new gun control measures while getting old ones rolled back. They've done a phenomenal job of forcing lawmakers to bend to their will.
It's sort of the point of my NRA history lesson. When gun owners decided they wouldn't tolerate any more shenanigans in their name they literally overthrew the most powerful pro gun lobby in existence and then used it to bludgeon law makers into doing what they wanted. That's about as much political power as any group of regular people can ever hope to have.
I doubt the majority of that group is going to allow themselves to be silenced over a few CEOs getting popped.
NRA leadership, and thus its agenda, is mostly determined by the firearms industry and large donors. Sure they have elections (where something like 7% of members vote), but board directors are basically just chosen by the nominating committee which is itself partially directly appointed by industry without election and the elected members of the committee have ties to the industry.
They're all also quite wealthy.
It's not gun owners that actually decide NRA policy, it's manufacturers and retailers and rich enthusiasts. If rich people were suddenly concerned about leftists gunning them down in the streets they'd change their stances on gun control real quick.
Modern gun control laws started in response to black people arming themselves.
From the stamp act to reagan, to bill Clinton. Reagan specifically is why California is ahead of the rest of the US on laws banning firearms, because Reagan kicked it off while Governor.
Modern gun control laws started in response to black people arming themselves.
Using the word "modern" lessens the message. Gun Control has always always always been about keeping minorities from arming themselves and the racist trash are still at it today.
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Can't have Black people walking around with the ability to defend themselves from murder.
Maybe it's how they go after the 2nd amendment. Can't have fascism and an armed populace.
Supreme court: "Hmm, sounds like you need to increase YOUR border security!"
Exhibit A: there's like 4 gun stores in the entire country.
Case closed.
This is going to be a fair and unbiased ruling.
When has the SCOTUS ever ruled against the gun lobby?
Oh… so in this case Mexico waited a bit long. Remember Operation Fast and Furious? I know this more about the manufacturers but should the licensed dealers be liable too?
In the United States the sale of Firearms is regulated by the Federal Government and / or and individual State itself. All NEW firearm sales must go through an FFL. In many places that is also true for used firearms but even where it isn't its STILL one person selling a firearm to someone else.
To make it absolutely clear at no point in any firearms transaction is any normal person purchasing firearms directly from a firearms manufacturer.
In the case of entities, such as a Gun Store / FFL, who can purchase new firearms directly from a manufacturer there's still no direct sales happening and the sale of those firearms is controlled by Federal Law.
So HOW is it the fault of US Firearm Manufacturers when people purchase firearms and traffic them across the southern border?
I would think that they could be liable in the same way pharmacists were for the opioid epidemic.
If they can prove the manufacturers were supplying a 'suspicious' number of firearms to a couple of dealers like the pharmacists were supplying a suspicious number of pills to pill mill doctors.
I would think that they could be liable in the same way pharmacists were for the opioid epidemic.
In the opioid epidemic the Pharmacists got into trouble because they had relationships with the manufacturers, the Doctors, and the Patients. So in this instance the best fit for your analogy is the Firearms Dealers as they are the ones who have relationships with the Manufacturers, BATFE, and the buyers.
If they can prove the manufacturers were supplying a ‘suspicious’ number of firearms to a couple of dealers...
It doesn't work like that. The sale of firearms from the Manufacturer to the Wholesaler is regulated by the Federal Government because they set the rules. In many cases the Manufacturer doesn't even know what dealer is going to end up with how many firearms or of what type. Some of them certainly do but Interstate Arms nor Smith & Wesson are not special in that regard.
I do see your point about pharmacists being a better analog for gun dealers, but Purdue pharmaceutical was also liable in the opioid crisis, and that would be a much better analog /equivalent for the manufacturer.
It doesn't work like that . . . In many cases the Manufacturer doesn't even know . . . Some of them certainly do
Maybe I'm misreading the 2nd paragraph, but it seems like you're saying: it doesn't work like that, except when it does
By their logic, you can eliminate your liability for any evidently harmful product by installing a middleman.
