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[–] Glaedr304@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] medusadeluxe@lemm.ee 1 points 1 hour ago

You better move. You better dance.

[–] altec@midwest.social 12 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Cgers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

Moved mine to 100% international allocations on the 4th, up like 3% since then, highly recommend

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 3 hours ago

There goes my savings

[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Line goes down, arrows go up.

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I know nothing the stock market does is ever good for actual people, and any direction the line goes will be used as an excuse to commit atrocities against the poor, but I do feel a little thrill seeing it go down as the contrivances of 'wealth' used to gaslight us into not taking the full value of our labor at least superficially collapse.

[–] DC_Fencer@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

Ok just to clarify your first point: 60% of Americans have either a 401k or Roth IRA. The stock market is not the be all and end all economic factor but it does affect a large swath of Americans.

[–] Cgers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

You can allocate your funds to international investments only

[–] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Don't forget 529s...

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

they 'have one', I have had friends who found out an employer created one for them with pitiful amounts of money in them, or they got paid partially in them. nobody I know genuinely believes they're going to retire. very few people I know believe in a far-future. not far as in 'i read the foundation novels and damn, that shit blew my mind because im the most basic bitch possible' i mean 'far future' as in 'I might die older than my grandparents'

that's not to disregard what you're saying completely, of course. it will fuck a lot of people up. im sure. but line-go-up hurts just as many, if not more, people.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Then your friends and people you know are morons. If your place of work provides a 401k or 403b, you can talk with an advisor for free to decide how you want to invest and how much. There is pitiful amounts of money in them because they didn't add anything beyond the minimum and whatever their employer is matching. It's also a good way to lower your tax burden at year end.

If your employer doesn't have 401k or 403b, it's even more important to have a Roth IRA. You can't put as much into it each year and it's post tax dollars, but it's better than thinking you'll ever get social security in 20-40 years.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

401k is a scam that was used to help kill pensions. The only reason to use one if your job locks part of your pay behind matching some of your contributions.

Even the tax savings is a lie. It's just a deferment and you pay the full income tax rate on it when you are eventually forced to withdrawal it. Even on the gains if you're lucky enough to be up when you need it.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 1 points 13 minutes ago* (last edited 13 minutes ago)

Yes. You eventually pay the taxes on it. However, there is this thing you've never heard of called "Marginal Tax Brackets" This makes it so that when I do eventually pay the taxes on it, I'm not paying at the income level of when I was employed and instead much lower when I'm retired.

Pensions are better, but calling a 401k a scam just makes you look stupid.

[–] Cgers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

It also systematically intentionally forces the most vulnerable to be entirely dependent and aligned on capitalism

[–] melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

lol, thinking you'll be alive in 20-40 years. should I throw salt over my shoulder in case there are fairys there? offer up sacrifices tot he gods? stay off ships named after greek goddesses of agriculture, or just stuff from greek myth in general?

[–] Klnsfw@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] jabeez 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Go fascist, go.........broke-ish?

[–] Brave_Sir_Robin@lemmy.world 12 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] jabeez 3 points 3 hours ago

There it is, much better, bravo!

[–] f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 5 points 9 hours ago

Rodrigo Duterte

[–] buwho@lemmy.ml 6 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

whos cashing all this out? and are they paying taxes on it? like how does it work? can you just move your assets/ close out on positions and immediately shove them into some compounding interest account but still capture all the profit, with no capital gain tax?

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 42 minutes ago

It depends on whether you're rich enough to not pay taxes.

[–] figjam@midwest.social 2 points 6 hours ago

Hopefully large institutions seeking stability.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Depends which country you live in. But in the US you’d still pay capital gains tax over it I reckon. Since it applies at the moment of the sale of an asset. Unless it’s a IRA or 401k then you pay income tax at withdrawal. Of course you pay the taxes end of year. So you can still put it in a savings account and receive interest on all the profits before you have to pay tax

If those stocks were held less than a year you pay income tax over all your short term trades total realized gains end of the year.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

If it's in a Roth, you don't pay tax on trades.

[–] dickalan@lemmy.world 0 points 9 hours ago

I’m fairly certain until you put the money in your bank account and out of your brokerage account. You can do whatever the hell you want, but I also don’t trade like that.

[–] rosco385@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago

Mundus sine caesaribus is what's going down.

[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 21 points 18 hours ago

The FO phase of FAFO.

[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 23 points 19 hours ago

All I see here is a bunch of companies that were massively over valued in the first place.

I sleep.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 89 points 23 hours ago

He did say he would be bringing prices down on day 1, just didn't clarify he meant stock prices, not grocery prices.

[–] Calcifer@eviltoast.org 115 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The stock market is generally more of a "rich people's feelings" graph - very few Americans relatively are invested in any meaningful way, most if they are do so through a 401k or similar. That said, what "the market" hates most is uncertainty - and there's quite a lot of reasons to be uncertain at the moment between tariff threats and mass layoffs (not to mention geopolitical tensions).

Importantly though (and this is just a personal opinion) I think many stocks on the market are way overvalued. Executives and investors have used every trick in the book to "make a line go up", which means they aren't really operating on any business foundation designed for longevity or to withstand swings in the market. There's bubbles lurking in a lot of sectors. I'd guess at least some of this downwards momentum will be a market correction for some of these issues.

As always though, it's the folks invested through pensions and 401ks that have the most to lose relatively. The big players have probably already taken out their cash and are just waiting to see what they can buy up in a crash.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 44 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I watched a comedian on YouTube make a great point: When DeepSeek was announced the markets lost a trillion dollars in value and almost no one noticed except like twelve people.

[–] 474D@lemmy.world 16 points 22 hours ago (2 children)
[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I listen to him at work

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 11 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

He's such a great comedian. He only gets a few minutes a week on The Daily Show, but it doesn't really do much just to show how smart and funny the dude is. I love that he frequently posts full 30 or 40 minute sets on YouTube covering current events.

[–] 474D@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

He's quickly building a core fan base with his current events shows, great mix of comedy and reality

[–] Yoga@lemmy.ca 9 points 22 hours ago

most if they are do so through a 401k or similar.

It's pretty easy to swap what's being held in your 401k to Canadian/EU portfolios

[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 80 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As of 1:00 PM EST, it's down 12% on the day and dropping 🥰

[–] MsPenguinette@lemmy.world 21 points 22 hours ago

As of 3:00 PM EST, it's down over 15% on the day and in a bit of a further swing 😍

[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 13 points 23 hours ago
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[–] Coffeegrinder@feddit.nl 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Buyeu and buycanada are gaining momentum?

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I wish, but that's not it. It's just reactions to the business world realizing Trump isn't actually going to do good things for them basically

[–] Coffeegrinder@feddit.nl 2 points 9 hours ago

Yeah most likely.

[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I agree with the sentiment but I work in IT and yearn for when we will get rid of Microsoft, Amazon, and the tech giants.

My mother won't buy anything American at the grocery store but uses Amazon and Facebook every day.

My coworkers won't buy American products but use Windows, Teams, and Office every day.

I may be using Linux, open source software, and avoid American tech when possible, but I still use Google and Gmail.

At some point we may want to (or should) also extend that boycott to software and tech services. Have our governments, institutions and people not dependent on American corporations. It can only be good for our sovereignty anyway.

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[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 day ago

One can hope for it to be Consequences of their actions.

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