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U.S. officials familiar with the planning said options for "reclaiming" the vital waterway include close cooperation with Panama's military and, absent that, possible war.

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[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 16 minutes ago

Well.

There goes the element of surprise.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 20 points 2 hours ago

People of the US military: look up "illegal orders" and "Nürnberg" as long as you can find those terms.

[–] dzso@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

Can we please just invade the White House and depose Donald? Seems better for America.

[–] GoodLuckToFriends 2 points 2 hours ago

May he choke on his own flayed cock force fed to him... but he's really quite the idiot. If he hadn't fired the competent leaders of the military, he could have just asked them to pull the pre-made plans out of the file drawer. I don't remember if it was at the end of bush's term, or when Assange released documents, but there was a period where the fact was being talked about on everything from radio stations to the local pubs that the US had 'just in case' plans for many of their allies. I would also put money on most countries having vague guidelines and goals drawn up for emergencies where a dickhead in an allied country takes power.

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

The title is wildly over hyping this news. He said to plan multiple strategies, not to gear up for an invasion. Of course the military is gonna plan a war scenario. This is not the frightening headline its made out to be, shock the military plans stupid ways to put boots on the ground, the military LOVES to plan wars. Click baity for sure!

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 2 points 24 minutes ago* (last edited 16 minutes ago)

I have no idea what you're saying...

What is not frightening about planning to start a war? Are you saying that you could take the canal without starting a war? What other way of acquiring it are you thinking of? What other strategies do you think exist? When you ask the military to come up with multiple strategies to accomplish something, you're really asking them "would we have to put troops on the ground, or could we do this with a bombing campaign? What about the threat of violence and an illegal embargo?". But if you employ the military in any strategy they come up with, you're starting a war.

I mean, I guess we could offer to buy it, but it's a cornerstone of their economy, we wouldn't like the price. And Trump doesn't go in for "bad deals" (paying for things).

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 26 minutes ago

Click bait, yes, but leave it up to trump to say the quiet part out loud over and over.

People should be afraid of what's coming

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 110 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (6 children)

Can our military just step up already and take these fuckers out? They are duty-bound to refuse unlawful orders.

And these people are fucking traitors.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 37 points 9 hours ago

Even if his orders are lawful, they've sworn an oath to defend the constitution from all threats foreign and domestic: they're duty bound to engage him in the exact same way they do with a combatant from Isis or something. Donald Trump is an enemy to the US.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 47 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

25th Amendment also applies here. Orange hitler is obviously deranged and dangerous.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 9 points 9 hours ago

Never going to happen. They have given everything to MAGA, if Trump is out of the picture then it's game over. No one cares about Vance, the population would be so enraged he would be impeached and removed faster then you can imagine.

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 203 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Illegal wars are a wonderfull distraction from kleptocracy.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 72 points 13 hours ago

Sheesh, if I had $1.1 trillion every time a Republican administration tried that trick...

[–] sporkler@lemmy.world 17 points 12 hours ago

technically it's not a war it's a 'спецопера́ция'

[–] Mr_Crash_Davis@lemmy.world 122 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

What did we hear from Trumpers last year, that he was the candidate for peace or some such shit?

[–] sloppychops@lemmy.ca 36 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

They meant a candidate for 'piece.' A piece of this country, a piece of that country.

[–] Mr_Crash_Davis@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago

Ah, my mistake lol.

[–] lostlittletimeonthis@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

He was angling for the Nobel peace prize in Ukraine but I guess he figured out it was too hard

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[–] MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 64 points 13 hours ago

I miss when I would wake up and check the news and nothing particularly crazy was going on. Like you would click on the TV and they are talking about a zoo that recently got a baby giraffe or something.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 37 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Will this make eggs cheaper?

[–] Ooops@feddit.org 29 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

No, but it will severely disrupt golabl trade and make everything more expensive so you don't think about eggs anymore.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Will that make the stock market cheaper? I have some recipes that use stock.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 4 points 9 hours ago

… then Profit?

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 36 points 12 hours ago

then-President Jimmy Carter transferred sovereignty to Panama in the late 1970s.

We're literally just invading another country to take their property. Which to be fair IS a long rich American tradition, but gawdamnit it has to stop.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 35 points 12 hours ago

Fuck Trump. I can’t believe the shit this useless rapist is putting the world through. He needs to eat dirt.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 42 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I could totally see this going sideways because they removed quality leadership, engineers, and soldiers via racism.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 17 points 12 hours ago

I'm sure the political party that rushed the country into a war over an obvious lie and then told soldiers they'd just have to deal with their Humvees not having any armor for a few months while they were being ordering to patrol around the IED capitol of the world will feel just awful about it for as long as they're on camera

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 48 points 13 hours ago (7 children)
[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 hours ago

My theory:

Panama controls a major trade route and charges shitloads of money for each ship that passes.

Same reason for Canada. The North-West Passage is melting and will be open year round in the not too distant future.

The same makes sense for Greenland if you consider Russia as a trade partner with lots of raw metals. Plus Greenland itself may have oil. Again, this when the ice melts completely.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 51 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

He wants to be a strongman and he realizes peoples' impression of him is nearly as small as his penis.

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[–] Plum@lemmy.world 42 points 13 hours ago

Papa Putin says so.

[–] DaveyRocket@lemmy.world 33 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (4 children)

Because you can’t really invade a place full of white people like Greenland or Canada. Even the diehard Trump fans would probably not be okay with that. On the other hand, a country full of poor, brown people that have only ever been fucked over by America? Well shit, we can’t wait to bomb them! George Carlin explained it, America loves bombing brown people. Anyone in the US military with the slightest amount of backbone will not follow these illegal orders. See the Nuremberg Trials if you’re not sure what an illegal order looks like. They aren’t even trying with a WMD hoax, this is just an illegal invasion.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 21 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Even the diehard Trump fans would probably not be okay

Given the number of diehard trump fans who wish harm to other members of the US and agitate for an internal war, I doubt this is true for the majority of them.

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[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 12 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

Give Fox News 6 months of their two minutes hate bullshit and Trumpers will be frothing at the mouth for Canadian blood. Americans have already proven that we'll follow a blatant liar into war if the propaganda sets the tone for it.

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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I entirely agree we shouldn't do it, but I don't believe it would necessarily be an illegal order to follow.

Invading a sovereign country for overtly offensive reasons isn't against any particular military law, it's just shitty.

The president doesn't have the power to declare war, only to do everything involved in a war, but I don't think that would actually make any of the orders illegal, unless they were to explicitly do some war crimes or some such.

[–] DaveyRocket@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I get what you’re saying, though maybe when America becomes the new nazis, we can have a Nuremberg Trial 2.0 and set some new precedents!

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[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 26 points 13 hours ago

Putin knows that one of the quickest ways to destroy the US is if the rest of western civilization abandons it. Russia saw firsthand how quickly nearly the entire world joined in to sanction and abandon them when they invaded Ukraine with that bullshit story. The Panama shit is an even worse excuse, almost guaranteed to turn the western world fully against the US.

However, it's also physically separated enough from the US that Americans at home that don't pay attention won't be directly affected to turn against it with retaliation, the Republican base is racist and narcissistic enough to back it seriously, and with a large enough power imbalance so unlike Ukraine there's no chance of a prolonged conflict.

The infrastructure isn't in place yet for them to just do whatever they want and arrest every protester like Russia does, so they do have to still take that into account, Panama is remote and unknown to a large portion of the population sadly. But the building of Panama Canal is something that many learned about in school as a pivotal historical infrastructure project. Something still in use today and referenced in the news even though they may not know where it is. For the America is Best narcissist, taking back what "we" built is an admirable goal.

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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 18 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Wow. Really? Like really really?

We're now gonna massacre a bunch of Panamanians for a shipping canal? Fuck.

Well, now that they clearly have great OPSEC, I hope Panama sabotages the hell out of it.

[–] PancakesCantKillMe@lemmy.world 18 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

I think Panama did say they'd destroy the canal before they'd allow it to be taken. I took a cursory look for that tidbit, but the news feeds about the canal are blown up at the moment.

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 31 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

-How full of explosives should we make the canal?

-Yes.

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