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[–] Nugscree@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (8 children)

The question I get asked by religious people all the time is, without God, what's to stop me from raping all I want? And my answer is: I do rape all I want. And the amount I want is zero. And I do murder all I want, and the amount I want is zero. The fact that these people think that if they didn't have this person watching over them that they would go on killing, raping rampages is the most self-damning thing I can imagine. I don't want to do that. Right now, without any god, I don't want to jump across this table and strangle you. I have no desire to strangle you. I have no desire to flip you over and rape you. --Penn Jillette

Think of the man what you will, but this has to be the best answer for that dumb question.

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[–] SidTheShuckle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The same god who allows rape and murder as long as you believe in him

[–] bier@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago

The entire argument is pretty stupid...

Do you believe in god? Yes

Does rape and murder happen? Yes

Can you rape and murder if you tried? Yes

So what does your god add to the situation? Is the only reason you don't do it out of fear? Yes/No?

Also do you really obey the laws of your god? Yes

So you don't ever wear both linnen and wool? Uh what?

And are you really sure you never sat where a menstruating women has been sitting?? Wait what?

How many different seeds are in your garden? ??

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This person allowed Elon Musk to stick his Nazi cock inside her.

She's not a sane individual.

[–] NoxAstrum@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I now see why she was stupid enough to get with elmo.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago

Those two deserve each other.

[–] rizo@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I can't remember who said it but: If you being a good person depends on the fear of eternal damnation, then you are not a good person.

[–] PotatoLibre@feddit.it 1 points 1 day ago

That's why as an Italian I appreciate nordern countries. Luther reform fixed that and shifted the main point to the actual life.

When I moved to Sweden in a rich part of Stockholm I was not happy. Dealing with rich Italians left a disgusting feeling in me and I didn't want to live there. Then I got to meet the neighbors and they were actually really cool. Rich swedish people (normally rich, not talling about billionaires), are absolutely down on heart.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure this people would've been doing great even without religion. Luther isn't been a revolution, it's been an excaping. Not surprisingly, their modern and open Christianism is the one who's disappearing faster.

[–] Ronno@feddit.nl 19 points 2 days ago

There are plenty examples of religious leaders raping and killing children and other offenses. But I guess they are above it all then?

[–] p3n@lemmy.world 45 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If we can kill God, then it wasn't God that we killed...

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

God is the all-powerful creator of the universe, all of the black holes and quasars, all of the laws of physics, the architect of the very Beginning and End of All Things... but He is in constant danger of destruction by a bunch of hippies and nerds.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is the fact that is so often overlooked because its too goddamn inconvenient for them to acknowledge.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

Saying "Without laws I wouldn't do right from wrong" is also just as much a sociopathic self report imo. Same with "money" and "The State", i'm an atheist just like them except I go one or two gods further.

also, when has religion saying raping and killing children was wrong ever stopped a religious 'person' from raping and killing children? those are like their two favorite things to do.

[–] Zess@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

"Your religion isn't the same as morality." - Britta Perry

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think zealot answered that. It seems that people who can't manage themselves and their worst impulse want to manage others.

[–] reiterationstation@lemm.ee 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Grimes and musk believe the AI is God. So there’s a good chance context is missing here on purpose because she’s aware enough to not go full crazy.

Bring back God = build the AI.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

TBF, an overgrown autocorrect is more real to me than god, and in my opinion it's the more sane option to worship.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

they don't believe in god, so there's no belief in AI.

let me sum it up for you in a few words imagine they are the thoughts of our oppressors.

I am a god.

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

I agree in part that the death of god has been bad. But that's only in regards to community. That is, we broadly lack communal spaces now where people that might be wildly divergent in beliefs--other than certain core religious tenets --come together. The loss of faith has meant a loss of community for many people. Attempts to build communities of non-believers have largely failed, or run afoul of the same problems that mire religion in general.

The result is that non-believers appear to be more likely to live more solitary existences, whereas people that have religious faith and go to church appear more likely to have some kind of community support group.

[–] WandowsVista@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

When autism and fascism collide

[–] 7rokhym@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

Our society killed God and replaced with Reason. For all the things this improved, it created another set of problems nearly everyone in the West is unaware of. Check out Voltaire's Bastards.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The way i understood it was that it's a difference in organization of society. Some people can find meaning themselves, without needing somebody else to tell them what to do. Some people just need to be told what to do.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Some people find their meaning in telling others what to do.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 87 points 3 days ago (4 children)

People always told me that Grimes was super smart, but every time she opens her mouth, it's some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard. She is the guy we all knew in high school, the one who takes mushrooms and stares at Tool album covers, and expects the rest of us to pretend they are brilliant.

This chick literally wrote an open letter to communists, saying that if they support Elon Musk, he will use AI to bring a communist system.

If she were to ever shut up, it may dawn on her that she is actually a fucking idiot, and we can't have that, so she never shuts the fuck up.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 47 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If she were to ever shut up, it may dawn on her that she is actually a fucking idiot, and we can't have that, so she never shuts the fuck up.

"It is worth repeating at this point the theories that Ford had come up with, on his first encounter with human beings, to account for their peculiar habit of continually stating and restating the very very obvious, as in "It's a nice day," or "You're very tall," or "So this is it, we're going to die."

His first theory was that if human beings didn't keep exercising their lips, their mouths probably shriveled up.

After a few months of observation he had come up with a second theory, which was this--"If human beings don't keep exercising their lips, their brains start working."

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[–] zib@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago

If fear of divine retribution is your only reason for being a good person, then you are not a good person.

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 64 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Someone that fucked Elon should really keep ideas about morality out of their fucking mouth

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Elon doesn't fuck, his dick is a bent twig. He has them fucked by mail order.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There was just a case where a woman gave birth to a baby in the woods, left it there and left for a vacation. If it weren't for the family dog desperately trying to save the baby and getting noticed by a stranger, nobody would have ever known as even the rest of the family was defensive of the woman.

This shows morality is not only not an exclusively trait but not even an exclusively human trait.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I am not sure that I agree that the dog's behavior necessarily demonstrates "morality." You might be anthropomorphizing a bit. I am not a biologist or anything, so I could be way off base... But is it not possible that the dog was acting on instincts to protect newborn offspring? Similar to when animals "adopt" babies from other species as their own?

Morality implies that the dog did a thing because it's "the right thing to do," when in reality, it might have just been a self-preservation instinct kicking in. Dog sees newborn that's clearly the offspring of the being that takes care of it, dog tries to preserve that newborn's life in order to keep the gravy train going.

Just my (again, non-expert) thoughts.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You can remove the argument from morality safely from your answer just by stating the dog acted upon instinct, based off the notion dogs are pack animals, that have a closely knit symbiotic relatioship with human, which can be used to in favour of the dog finding a newborn activated the instinct of preserving their pack.

The way you approached the subject can be easily side tracked through arguing you are atributting self interest to the animals actions, as in, it keeps the newborn alive, thus, their own preservation is assured.

If acting on true self interest, the dog should have allowed the newborn to die.

Side note: who discards a newborn in such calous way? How unbalanced is the person?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If acting on true self interest, the dog should have allowed the newborn to die.

That's not necessarily true. No more human offspring means no more symbiotic relationship.

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No offspring, closer symbiotic relationship, with more resources available.

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[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago (2 children)

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Emphasis my own. Yes there is a self evident morality, you don't need God to tell you what's right and wrong.

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[–] martin4598@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

I haven't be taught religion, but i'm lucky enoigh to have had parents...

[–] 4oreman@lemy.lol 21 points 3 days ago

fuck that elon breeder

[–] fff45667@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

If you need somebody watching over your shoulder + the threat of damnation to be a good person, you're not a good person.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

I think her argument was that religion offered an easy way to make moral choices.

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