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We have yet another example of the conservatives having only short term gain and quick profits on their mind. Turner and the liberals were right when they said that we have been building this country east to west for a century plus, and that we should have continued doing so. And now we are seeing Turner's predictions coming true, and a conservative sold us the fuck out and took the easy way Instead of nation building.

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[–] Grappling7155@lemmy.ca 37 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

If you’re voting strategically ABC, make sure that the Liberals actually have the strongest contender in your riding based on the polls.

There are a lot of NDP / Conservative battleground ridings that the Liberals will never pick up.

[–] DarkWinterNights@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Grappling7155@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I don’t trust most of these websites to give an objective answer for most people’s ridings. Better to spend a bit more time and look at the poll data and riding’s history yourself.

[–] DarkWinterNights@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

While I agree with you, it's tough to get most people to click beyond a headline or open a statistics database for a bunch of easily disprovable commonly held beliefs (aka "common sense"); even if it's to just start thinking about this stuff (and hopefully eventually apply and cross-check), I still view tools like these as a boon.

[–] Thepotholeman@lemmy.ca 9 points 6 days ago

This right here

[–] thatsmysandwich@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

This!! don't just blindly vote Lib, some riding lib doesn't stand a chance.

[–] puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

I’m feeling conflicted this year. I’ve been an NDP voter since as long as I was old enough to vote. This year I’m leaning Liberal.

My riding is polling strong red so while it doesn’t make a statistical difference I want to show the NDP that I’m not confident in their leadership or partisanship. I love their policies but it’s time for Jagmeet and similar ineffective MPs to make way for stronger leaders.

[–] CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago

I voted for NDP. My province voted for Conservative, so we are getting Dougie Ford in ON, again. :/

https://www.cp24.com/ontario-election-2025/

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, the NDP kind of need to get crushed in this election so we can clear out the dead wood. We need a reborn and revitalized NDP to meet the current moment.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 days ago (6 children)

I absolutely disagree with that statement.

The Liberals are going to bring more of the same. What we need is a strong coalition with both the Liberals and NDP to push the Liberals to work for the little guy for once.

I'm tired of having a party that does nothing but work for corporations, who can't think outside the box and do nothing for the working class.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

An NDP minority would keep Singh and the other softly softly types in charge, and continue to offer weak, incremental improvements instead of real, meaningful change. We need a radical, socialist left that offers real solutions if we're going to avert the rise of fascism here in Canada, and the NDP needs new faces and new ideas if they're ever going to win people over again.

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I agree with you there. The NDP needs to be more aggressive. I don't know about radical though. You don't want to scare people off either. I think it needs to be progressive. But, they definitely need a change in leadership.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think being afraid of scaring people off got them where they are.

Voters were overwhelmingly willing to vote for Pollievre, a man everyone detests, simply because he was a fuck you to Ottawa and the status quo.

That 'burn it down' energy has been tamped down by the threats from the south, but sooner or later it will be back (or we'll no longer be talking about Canadian elections), and when it does the NDP needs to be ready to point the molotovs at where the real blame is.

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

I attribute increased radicalization on both sides to the failed promise of electoral reform. By which I mean having FPTP is a main underlying cause, but rug-pulling the opportunity to change it really accelerated things by making the center intolerable.

This problem isn't going away until we get electoral reform. LPC is what we need in this unique moment, but the fundamentals haven't changed.

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[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I kind of agree, but there's a substantial chance the NDP will insist on misinterpreting the results as meaning they should pull even farther to the relative center, even though it's their base they are losing.

On the other hand, the NDP implosion in NB opened the window for a stronger Green party with no more splitting of left-leaning votes. That party now more effectively represents both environmental concerns and labor. So far, that's seeming like a pretty harmonious pairing of interests, with a largely shared base.

I'm good with the NDP either shaping up or getting out of the way.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Look, I wish I could give you an ironclad guarantee of how things will shake out, but that ain't how this shit works.

The NDP as they are now are incapable of rising to this moment. They need to be replaced by something that is. Maybe that works out, maybe it doesn't. Playing it safe has gotten us fucking nowhere. I'd rather take the swing.

[–] HonoredMule@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

Yeah, I think I've already talked myself out of worrying where the NDP goes next anyway. I hate how things went with the federal Greens but at this point they've still got as much shot at representing the left as the NDP.

I'm smelling a theme in leftist parties, where good leaders seem disproportionately difficult to replace.

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[–] ratofkryll@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago

That's pretty much where I'm at as well. My riding is currently blue, and every piece of mass-mail propaganda I've gotten from the current MP has used a lot of words to say an awful lot of nothing.

I've generally voted NDP, but they need to make some leadership changes. I don't believe that the current NDP leadership would be effective in handling the overgrown toddler running the show in the US, and PP would hand us to him on a silver platter. I don't actively dislike Carney so far, so at least that's something.

[–] Warehouse@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 days ago

There might be a ghost of a chance that the Liberals win in my riding so I'm going to go for them.

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[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (11 children)

I agree liberals dont make tha same mistake as your american equivalents. Make sure your candidates running actually gives people reasons to vote for your candidate.

Dont think you can just goose step to the party line of no change for the working class. Dont try to deny and support a genocide. Dont think the other candidate sucking is sufficient for you to brow beat people to vote for your candidate.

If there's a group asking for a change that you might not technically agree with but doesnt harm people do it anyways

[–] Thepotholeman@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago (24 children)

It's so obvious that Canada and the liberal party isn't supportive of Israel doing what they're doing.... Wtf are you talking about?

Don't be that left leaning douche bag that thinks that unless everything is done perfectly to a tee with what YOU want to see, that it isn't worth voting for. The NDP has great ideas and we owe them for pushing the liberals to get dental care and pharma care done ... But Jesus Christ the foreign interference is strong with you

[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Canada and the liberal party isn't supportive of Israel doing what they're doing.... Wtf are you talking about?

Justin Trudeau: "I am a zionist" and also "Zionism isn't a bad word." then proceeds to send money and equipment to Israel.

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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I know it's because you feel very passionate about this issue, but you really need to change that attitude. We're all fiends here.

[–] Taniwha420@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Hey, I know i am definitely a fiend, but do you really think we all are?

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[–] AlienContact2049@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago

Read Sale of a Country by Shelley Ann Clarke

[–] CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] Thepotholeman@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 days ago

I'm sorry but the liberals are pretty clear that healthcare should be public....and free at use.

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