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[–] SSNs4evr@leminal.space 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The great thing about the orange turd- gurgler, is that he's so bad, even the bad democrats might be popular enough to elect in enough numbers to have the majority to get things done - if our republic survives.

My thinking is that we need the dems that we can get into office, then work on replacing them with better ones, as we go. The moderates definitely need to go away... enough with the "meeting in the center," when the center is always moving to the right.

The voters need to have realistic expectations as well - we've been in decline since the '70s - it won't be fixed in 4 or 8 years, but nothing is going to be fixed at all, so long as corporations and billionaires are in charge.

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[–] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world -5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

If it is not Bernie, AOC I ain't going to vote. Also ain't voting for anyone funded by AIPAC.

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[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, let's get preemptively angry at those not currently in power for something we assume they'll do!

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's truly the "progressive" way. That and never actually voting in a primary.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If Josh Shapiro wins the nomination I will not vote for him, I cannot stand this nonsense, this is absolute insanity. How the hell are modern Democrats less progressive than FDR (and he was a massive racist), we are a century ahead yet we are centuries behind. Now we're fighting over which fascist is more palatable so when can whitewash them and call them progressive. I voted for Kamala in 2024 but NOT AGAIN, I will NOT vote for another mild flavor of fascism lite.

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[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The supervillains are still in charge thinking up ways to destroy anyone and anything opposing them to ensure the superiority of their greedoid ultraconservatism, while the supposedly "enlightened" people who are supposed to fight those bastards as a united front are instead fighting over recriminations, ideological rivalries, and supposed levels of moral purity.

[–] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Enlightened people should be enlightened enough to grasp the power of violence

[–] splonglo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Isn't there enough bad things happening right now to complain about? This is a totally imaginary scenario that is years away and you're all ruining your day a little bit more by engaging with it.

WHY?

It is totally wasted energy. Total waste of time. Counter productive to your political goals. Encouraging a culture of fixating on problems you have no idea how to solve. Bonding over helplessness and apathy.

You know a lot of canvasers are thinking about ditching the dems and going independant? You could encourage them, you could become one of them, you could help give them arguments and counter narratives, make memes, shitpost for a good cause, post in mixed comment sections where half the people hate you and fish for an even mix of upvotes to downvotes - that's how you know you're reaching people! Take a little pleasure in becoming unbotherable.

Also, counter narratives are great because you don't have to substantiate anything. ' ICE is deporting random innocent people to fill quotas ' - your move, rightoids, I spent five seconds writing that and one braincell. Zero effort and they might end up spending 100x the effort countering it. God knows I've been on the other side of that. It's a brilliant rhetorical tactic.

You don't even have to keep arguing, you can just post 'sounds dumb' or 'bad argument' or nothing at all and just leave!

Bots wouldn't exist if posting comments on the internet didn't do anything. And even doing nothing is better than perpetuating misery-posting culture in the online left.

Tony Benn said that the job of the left is to 1) anger people and 2) inspire hope. We need to get a lot better at the second one.

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Just to clarify, I also hate the Dems lmao

[–] uienia@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Our local lemmy tankie brigade are strangely indifferent to the doings of Trump and his fascist oligarch regime, but they are positively obsessed with the Democrats, even as the Trump regime is doing its best to ensure that elections and thus the Democrats will not be a thing in the future.

They will also claim to care about genocides, but they are not only strangely indifferent to the genocide occurring against the Ukrainians, they will happily regurgitate the Putin talking points used as an excuse for it.

These people are not really "the left", they are authoritarians. They do care about any left wing issues, they do not care about the rights of the exploited and the weak, and they do not fear fascism, they are just mad that it isn't themselves who are sitting in power right now.

[–] projektilski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

But people are stupid and they DID vote wrong. They had a choice and they chose wrong.

[–] Battle_Maiden@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No, we voted for Bernie. He won the primary and for some reason Hilary was the candidate. That was the beginning of the end. We didn’t vote for Harris to be our candidate either. THAT is how Trump wins. The majority did not want trump either time he ran for president, but the DNC made sure he won by putting in their least popular candidate. It’s a dog and pony show. Both sides are working for the same people.

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[–] stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago

The American people aren't stupid. They're poorly educated and brainwashed by propaganda.

When a kid without developmental disabilities gets to 12th grade and still can't read or write his own name, we don't blame the kid for being stupid - or at least we shouldn't - we blame the parents and teachers. The kid was failed by the people who had the responsibility to teach him.

Same with politics. Voters don't have degrees in political science. They make the best decisions they can based on the information they have. Biden presided over the worst economy for the poor and middle class and the biggest wealth transfer to the ultra rich in my lifetime, Harris told voters "I'm not going to do anything different from Biden but Trump will destroy America so vote for me", Trump told voters "I know you're hurting, Biden and Harris failed you, and my policies will help you", and voters made the best decision they knew how to make.

Which was a stupid fucking decision. Granted. But the lion's share of the blame has to go to Biden, Harris, and their enablers. They were the experts. It was their job to keep America from making that stupid fucking decision. And they failed America.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Is a difficult subject because on a personal level I've lost dear friends to insane propaganda, and I still haven't forgiven myself for not being able to save them from it - and I'll probably never forgive them for it either. They were supposed to be smart.

People think I'm smart but I fall for stuff too. In media, the existing weapons can be stronger than the defenses, and sometimes that's all there is to it. Modern media makes the greatest aspirations of MK Ultra look like child's play.

I'm still not convinced memes aren't a great filter, unless great filter theory is just another shitty meme.

To sum up, people did vote objectively incorrectly. The Democratic party however is not guilt free. The whole system is built on violence, and that grim old tree won't bear fruit unless you water it.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

it will be interesting to see who their media will be blaming since the anti-genocide and LGBTQ+ people will be either in prison or deported or stripped from their rights to vote.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago

There's always new minorities to mint and burn.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it will be interesting to see who their media will be blaming since the anti-genocide and LGBTQ+ people will be either in prison or deported or stripped from their rights to vote.

You think Hitler stopped blaming jews even after they were all in camps?!??

[–] Crikeste@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

lol Comparing liberals to Hitler, love to see it

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[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Did you listen to the latest tiff between David Hogg and James Carville?

Carville really wants to push progressives out of the Democratic party while keeping their heads in the sand. I think his last rant was because Hogg wants to replace existing Dems (Carville says he should be replacing Republicans). However, I think Hogg wants to do this because these Dems aren't really doing anything and waiting to pick up the pieces from this Trump administration. I think agree more with Hogg that it's more important to show the people that you represent them rather than be like: "we're not the Republicans".

I'm not an entire fan of Hogg though, he seems a bit inconsistent but I agree with him here.

To be clear, people should have voted for the Democrats. We're all in the position we're in because not enough people did. Would you get what you want? No. But we still wouldn't be in the mess otherwise. I mean, assuming the election wasn't stolen.

That being said, all these older people that don't seem interested in fighting for their people need to be purged from the Democrats. I don't know if it's because they're really old or out of touch or what. There's a thirst for people to want representation for them to fight (as seen by the AOC and Bernie rallies). I think their inactivity isn't helping for the most part. Also, they need to get some more names out there.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago

Yeah, I've been low-key following this drama and Hogg is out there spearheading the "tea party style takeover" that people have been saying the DNC needs. Carville, Schumer, and Co. seem to think that letting the republicans off the leash to blow up everything and hurt everyone is the best path forward. Put another way, the plan is to continue offering shitty corpocentrism and hope that voters prefer corpocentrism (clothed fascism) over naked fascism again in two and four years. Fuck that and fuck them, Hogg can take my energy and blast those fossilized assholes with a spirit bomb.

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[–] dryfter@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This whole discussion has been a fascinating read in the comments.

But does anyone really think we're going to have another election? Much less a non-rigged election?

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The system was already rigged, of course. Electoral college, absentee cancelations, felons disqualified. It was broken before so even if things stayed the same (which they won't) it'll still be broken.

I do expect elections to continue. Just much less honestly.

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[–] HipHoboHarold@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I think its important and great to plan ahead. Especially in times like this. And Im hoping they give us someone people will vote for this time. Because holy shit, almost anyone is better than this

But also Im not holding my breath. Im honestly not even sure if I'll be in a camp or not. But either way even if we do have elections it will likely be in the same sense that Russia has elections.

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[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

harm reduction is a thing that you can support.

[–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If we want to make it more likely for a progressive to win the nomination, taking grassroots action now can make a big difference.

Are you looking to get involved to make a difference in the two party system? Get more progressives in office? Enable progressives to be the future face of the Democrat Party in your state? Then the biggest thing I can recommend would be joining an organization such as the Equal Vote Coalition. Their goal is to get better voting systems in place across the country, moving away from First Past the Post which has locked us into our two party system. Alaska and Maine have already succeeded in moving away from First Past the Post voting.

If we take action now, we can potentially get the voting system changed locally or on the state level for many of us before the midterm elections. Then as we continue to make progress, by the time 2028 rolls around we could safely pick our preferred candidates first and have safe backup candidate options so our preferred candidate(s) have a much greater chance at winning.

Help start a ballot initiative in your state here.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I haven't heard bad stuff about Gavin Newsom. Did he turn corporate when I wasn't paying attention?

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago
[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

He's been tilting rightward to accomodate the shift in the American public ya.

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