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Trump warned he will impose additional tariffs on the European Union and Canada if they band together to “do economic harm” against the United States.

Get @#$%ed, Trump. Good read. Short but detailed about how partnered we are already and what our next priorities should be

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 19 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Excellent article.

Main points for me:

  1. Horizon Europe, digital sovereignty and technology, GDPR. YES! And absolutely we should be strengthening our privacy laws. We should be moving towards GDPR and we should be pushing for right to repair, etc.

  2. Green Alliance, climate collaboration, and collaboration on the Arctic. YES! But see the impacts of CETA/ISDS/ICS too.

  3. Freedom of movement. Yes, but: Europe's model of immigration has the opposite values than ours. We shouldn't let European phobic attitudes to immigration hamstring us from developing further ties, e.g., with the north african and sub-saharan francophonie. But we should definitely, absolutely further develop Erasmus+ and other EU-Canada youth exchange programs. And it should become extremely fluid and frictionless to recognize European professional credentials in Canada. An Italian doctor or a Greek nurse or a Spanish engineer or a German tradesperson should be able to start practicing in Canada within weeks at worst. EDIT: Also, linked with deepening research collaboration: Canadian temporary permits (study, work) should start to be recognized as means to expedite or eliminate EU visitor visas. We welcome fantastic international students who come from places Europeans over-scrutinize (the Maghreb, Africa, Iran, India, ...) and are in a disadvantage for research collaborations and/or research visits in the EU.

  4. But I would be squarely against closer political and monetary integration with the EU. We absolutely do not need the Euro or the Stability and Growth Pact, and we do not need the various Orbans, LePens and Melonis, or the various debt-phobic Germans and Dutch having any kind of veto over our policies or say over our politics. The Norwegian, Swiss and Icelandic models are good models of EU-collaboration, and we can of course develop our own. We can be very very very good friends, but just like we don’t need to be anyone’s 51st state, we also don’t need to be anyone’s 28th member state.

Finally: for that matter, we should be looking for similar degrees of integration with Japan-Korea-Australia, etc. We are uniquely positioned to unite Pacific and Atlantic. To quote Carney: "if US no longer wants to lead, Canada will".

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 hours ago

All great points.

Having every privilege of EU without any governance or foreign policy or funding role is awesome, and Canada would win even as all EU wins, though I think Canada wins more.

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I have no interest in Canada joining the EU, which I see as having a bunch of governance problems of their own, but being close allies with well-integrated and mutually supportive economies via trade and other agreements sounds good to me.

Honestly, the idea floated that Canada would form a bloc with the UK, other commonwealth countries, and the EU, then have that bloc negotiate trade agreements with China sounds absolutely ideal to me. That's apparently already been raised by Carney in private talks on his visits to Europe and the UK. It would unite most of the world and cut the US off unless they changed course on their insane path. That's the foundation for a much more positive world order

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Hmm. What level of integration do you think would be too close?

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I don't want Canada under the EU governance system, and I don't think it's necessary to join the EU as a member just to have close and mutually supportive relations. Unless the Conservatives win today, we're still quite aligned with the EU in terms of values and commitment to similar international standards and goals, so I think we can form many trade agreements, cooperate on defense, and support similar international institutions, but just doing it with Canada as country that is a friend of the EU and not a member of the EU.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 hours ago

and I don’t think it’s necessary to join the EU as a member just to have close and mutually supportive relations.

It's really, really not. That's maybe the most important thing for everyone to know. Actually being a member is basically just a capstone on top of all the various kinds of coordination we could do, and several countries like Norway just opt not to take that last step.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Not speaking for OP, but here's what I wrote in another comment:

But I would be squarely against closer political and monetary integration with the EU. We absolutely do not need the Euro or the Stability and Growth Pact, and we do not need the various Orbans, LePens and Melonis, or the various debt-phobic Germans and Dutch having any kind of veto over our policies or say over our politics. The Norwegian, Swiss and Icelandic models are good models of EU-collaboration, and we can of course develop our own. We can be very very very good friends, but just like we don’t need to be anyone’s 51st state, we also don’t need to be anyone’s 28th member state.

[–] AGM@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago

Yep. That's more or less how I feel.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 7 hours ago

That's reasonable. Honestly the difference between being Norway and being actually in the EU doesn't seem that huge to me.

The big thing we definitely need is defence guarantees. Eventually America is going to figure out they can't have us non-violently.

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