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Make lists of the list makers rule (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world to c/196@lemmy.world

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[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hang on I'm out of the loop, could someone drop the source on this?

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-autism-study-medical-records/

[–] moonlight@fedia.io 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Shit like this is why I choose to not get diagnosed as autistic, and keep an M on my driver's license.

[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 2 points 11 hours ago

Every diagnosis I've ever received has only made my life harder

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

One of many reasons I am personally against therapy/diagnosis with the health system we have. I can function without meds so I do. Unfortunate for those who can't because of exactly this.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm fine with an "autistics roundup" as long as it starts and ends with Musk

[–] rbamgnxl5@lemm.ee 21 points 1 day ago

Could just rename it to "asshole roundup" and perhaps expand the effort a little.

[+] TokenEffort@sh.itjust.works -32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why don't you start by not having such an ambiguous label that varies from being as dependent as a bald person, to being as dependent as someone with no limbs? Then it wouldn't be so stigmatized to the point you're getting rounded up like wild animals.

[–] webadict@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I imagine it is hard to type with whatever condition you have because you accidentally typed out really stupid shit.

[+] TokenEffort@sh.itjust.works -15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have complex PTSD from being misdiagnosed as that stupid a-word. I see what all these people go through when that six letter death sentence enters their lives too early. It takes a village to raise a child, but all these children were abandoned by the village and the world when they needed support the most.

It's the same pattern. Everyone assumes you can't be educated, so they don't educate you, and you grow up uneducated. They assume you can't be independent, so they don't raise you to be independent, and you never grow to be independent. They assume you can't go to real school, so they don't put you in real school, and you never go to a real school. They assume nothing can be done about the issues you have, so they don't do anything about them, and you suffer from untreated mental illness and physical issues. (Hey bartender...) And, of course, the child's stunted growth is solely blamed on their disorder, and NOT the collective abandonment from society.

Grouping all these experiences into ONE WORD is what causes people with sensory issues to be raised as overgrown dependent babies instead of having a real life, just while wearing gloves and earplugs for example. You say it's an infinite spectrum, but never oppose the one-size-fits-all approach to it, until the negative aspect affects you. Like right now with this post.

[–] webadict@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What you seem to want is to not be grouped with the "others". The ones that you look down on. The "dependents" as you call them. That is rather reductive to me. Just like people with blindness or deafness or the inability to walk can range in how well they can integrate into society or how much these disabilities affect them, the same is true for people with autism. You can have autism and look and act like, for all intents and purposes, a neurotypical person.

For me, grouping these experiences humanizes the people that are less able to integrate into society. I can understand them far more easily when someone explains how sensory issues affects someone to a lesser degree.

Like, we already group all experiences into one word, it's called being human, buddy.

[+] TokenEffort@sh.itjust.works -6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't look down on the dependent people, I fight to avenge their lost time. The dependent people were cheated out of growing and being independent. I honestly believe that only a tiny tiny minority of these people are actually fully dependent on someone else. They were only raised to be dependent, and once they're actually taught how to be independent, they finally grow, much later in life. These people always blossom into an amazing human being once they're out of those abusive institutions and away from people who continue to infantilize them and bully them into staying regressed.

Everyone sees that stupid a-word as Person Who Can't Age Past Three and raises everyone with that horrible label like they couldn't age past three. And then they don't age past three until much later in life if they're given the chance. And while they're being raised to be a toddler forever, they're holding in unbridled anger from the way they've been treated and several other things. You think the adult screaming and throwing chairs is only angry over not eating a candy bar? The candy was the fly that landed on the straw that broke their back decades ago.

It's not just my experience, it's several experiences of several people who were cheated out of childhoods because of that stupid label. I watched people deteriorate into zombies, and I've seen them grow out of being zombies. It's almost as if the Help™ they received for their disability caused their disability.

If we're all human then why are some people treated like animals, literally being given bits and pieces of snacks as rewards for following commands, and being forced to perform for someone else's fame and credit?

And for the people who actually are dependent on others: they deserve a therapeutic life where they can be happy. Not one where they're abused by their caregivers every day like what happens today. And if they can shred paper for a fake job, they can work real jobs that actually benefits society like resetting Amazon delivery stations or being a janitor. Not only are they contributing, they get to socialize and be a part of society, which is what humans deserve.

Just break up that stupid "spectrum" and get to know these people instead of assuming they're all babies who can't grow and abandoning them.

[–] webadict@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Everyone sees that stupid a-word as Person Who Can't Age Past Three and raises everyone with that horrible label like they couldn't age past three. And then they don't age past three until much later in life if they're given the chance.

I mean, that's verifiably and objectively wrong, since I don't believe that. But you seem to believe that there are a portion of the people that deserve the treatment of that. You think they are not like you, and that you shouldn't share that designation. You're the only one beating yourself up about it.

Regardless, autism is a spectrum. Deal with it.

[–] TokenEffort@sh.itjust.works 0 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Nobody deserves that. I don't think some people deserve it. I think no people deserve it. Everyone deserves the most fulfilling life possible.

I don't want that label because I don't even have that shit. I'm not Chinese so why should I call myself Chinese? I'm not a man so why should I call myself a man? I don't have cancer so why should I call myself a cancer patient? It has nothing to do with being above anyone else.

Everyone deserves a diagnosis that actually means something.

[–] webadict@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Then don't use the label? The point of a diagnostic tool is to help the diagnosed adjust. If you don't want to use the label, the who is stopping you from not using it? I don't get the issue.

[–] TokenEffort@sh.itjust.works 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

A label that varies that much only causes people to never get the assistance they actually need. That's the issue. So many children are never given the chance to thrive and have fulfilling adult lives.

Also it's a dangerously believable scapegoat. So many people will assume a child smears feces and pees themselves because they're On A Spectrum and not because they're being raped at home. And then the child never gets help for the trauma, and the rapists get away. I may or may not be speaking from experience.

[–] webadict@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

... I'll be real with you, dude... I think you should talk to a therapist. Just let them know about everything you've said here, and they'll be a much better help than I will.

[–] TokenEffort@sh.itjust.works 2 points 20 hours ago

At this point as much as I bitch about it I don't even care about what happened to me.

I just don't want it to happen to anyone else. And getting rid of a disorder label that only serves as a scapegoat and an excuse to give up on a child is the first step to saving anyone else from experiencing what I experienced and saw.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You should talk to a therapist about this attention seeking behavior

[–] TokenEffort@sh.itjust.works -1 points 19 hours ago

Okay. Hopefully RFK doesn't trap y'all in the world of "if you don't like it, get over it". I got that label out of my life so it's not my problem. Maybe I shouldn't care about those who couldn't be as lucky and couldn't be saved.

[+] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml -46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I thought registration lists were okay? Everyone certainly liked the gun registration ones.

[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes, because that's exactly the fucking same. As we all know gun owners are born with a gun, it's not a choice to own a gun it's a genetic condition being born with a gun and they can never not own a gun.

And from the other side, autism (the condition itself) gets used as a weapon in crimes.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Were we planning on sending the gun owners to death camps once the list of them was made?

[–] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 3 points 1 day ago

No need, you just need to start some beef in their group (something like, this guy is 100% a better shot than you) and they'll all kill each other.