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cross-posted from: https://poptalk.scrubbles.tech/post/2333639

I was just forwarded this someone in my household who watches our server. That's it folks. I've been a hold out for a long time, but this is honestly it.

They want me to pay to stream content that I bought from my hardware transcoded also on my hardware.

I'll say it. As of today, I say Plex is dead. Luckily I've been setting up Jellyfin, I guess it's time to make it production ready.

Edit: I have a Plex Pass. More comments saying “Just buy a plex pass” are seriously not getting it. I have a Plex Pass and my users are still getting this.

And for the thousandth person who wants to say the same things to me:

  • YES I know I'm unaffected as a Plex Pass owner.
  • My users were immediately angry at it, which made me angry. Our users don't understand what plex pass is, and they shouldn't have to, that's why I had it. The fact that they were pinged even though it should have kept working is horribly sloppy
  • Plex is still removing functionality. I don't care that "People should pay their fair share". If Plex wants to put every new feature behind a paywall, that's completely okay. They are removing functionality.
    • "But they have cloud costs". Remote streaming is negligible to them. It's a dynamic DNS service. Plex client logs in, asks where server is, plex cloud responds with the IP and port of where server is located. That's it.
    • "Good luck finding another remote streaming" - Again, Plex just opens up an IP and port. Jellyfin also just opens up an IP and port (Hold on jellyfin folks I know, security, that's a separate conversation). All "remote streaming" is is their dynamic dns. Literal pennies to them. Know what actually is costing them money? Hosting all of that ad-supported "free" content that they're probably losing money on.

In short, I don't care how you justify it. Plex is doing something shitty. They're removing functionality that has been free for years. I'm not responding to any more of your comments repeating the same arguments over and over.

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[–] derry@midwest.social 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

I see some posts taking about jellyfin and tailscale and I find it interesting that it's not mentioned tailscale is a private company. Why are they not being held to the same standard as Plex? How long before it becomes enshittified? I saw they have a free plan but give it time until they realize the number of users in the free tier are large enough to monetize.

edit: I'm prepared to be down voted but mark this and see where it ends up at.

Edit2: and I'm not defending Plex. I agree it's a shitty move.

[–] bedbeard@feddit.uk 10 points 1 day ago

I have definitely seen worries about tailscale in other threads related to a recent VC funding round, I suppose they haven't aggressively started the enshittification journey (yet), and it is also a bonus that most of tailscale is open source, e.g. headscale exists.

If tailscale started reducing the free service # of devices/users to push people towards their paid 'personal plus' plan then maybe we'd see a similar backlash. I say this as a tailscale user myself.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Some points as someone who does not use Tailscale:

  • Tailscale the software is under a BSD license. Plex is proprietary.
  • The discussion in this thread about Jellyfin is less corporate versus non-corporate (where in the context of proprietary software this would be payware versus freeware) and more FOSS versus proprietary software.
  • To be clear, Tailscale is proudly doing the same Series C venture capital bullshit as Plex. They're seemingly just as corporate as Plex, but at minimum, the software as it exists right now isn't tied down to Tailscale.
  • Additionally, this isn't Tailscale versus Plex; it's Jellyfin + Tailscale versus Plex.
  • Jellyfin + Tailscale means that you're using Jellyfin, which is FOSS. Using FOSS doesn't just benefit you but also everyone else using it because it benefits greatly from the network effect. Any money that goes to Jellyfin that would've otherwise gone to Plex is given back to the community and hard-working developers rather than lining some soulless venture capitalist's pocket.
  • With Jellyfin + Tailscale, everything you're using locally is FOSS. With Plex, none of it is. And even taking corporate into account, with Jellyfin + Tailscale, most of what you're using locally is non-corporate. With Plex, all of it is corporate.
  • Tailscale is giving you a real service through use of their VPN. Because Plex is run on the end user's infrastructure and barely touches Plex's server for remote streaming, they're basically just making you pay them a "fuck you, that's why" subscription fee.

TL;DR: This isn't a binary "corporate versus non-corporate".

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[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm very much with you.

Never understood why Plex, a once open source fork of XBMC, was seen as a positive thing when they switched to the closed source, SaaS model.

I also don't understand the love for Tailscale when Wireguard exists.

But, anyway, the same people who are reacting shocked to Plex can be shocked when Tailscale does the same.

They'll probably hop on Discord to vent their frustrations before there, too, they find themselves spurred by a company with no clear plan on monetization finding out that offering hosted services at a yearly loss can only exist for so long.

Open source isn't just about idealogy, it's about longevity for software that can't be clearly monetized - harken back to "amazing" services like Keybase that worked great for a few years until their VCs started asking for return of investment.

Use the shit that was made for you, not to exploit you. And if that shit isn't up to your standard, learn to contribute, or just enjoy the corporate graveyard in which you choose to live.

(so sorry for the pseudo-unhinged rant, but between the recent Win11, Discord controversies - and now, this - I'm just fed up with all the shocked_pikachu.jpg posts I'm seeing on Lemmy)

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[–] ClemaX@lemm.ee 33 points 1 day ago

Fuck them, glad I switched to Jellyfin years ago.

[–] MSids@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I'm coming up on 5 years as a Plex pass owner, so my users and I will not be impacted by this change. In five more years if they asked me nicely to pay another $89 to support the service I would. Send me some stickers and put a badge on my server. I get a lot of use out of the software/service, as do my family members.

I will say, I am quite annoyed at the wording and audience of this email. Jellyfin is just not an option for me until there is excellent feature parity with Plex. I know they are a lot of Jellyfin fans here, in my opinion, Plex is a significantly better experience for me.

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The beginning of enshittification.

Prices will keep climbing, functionality reduced in favor of service tiers, and of course ads, ads, and ads.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 23 hours ago

People use Plex?

[–] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 161 points 1 day ago (54 children)

Lol "Your Friends at Plex"

get fucked, assholes, Jellyfin is better anyway

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[–] SirEDCaLot 36 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I don't use Plex. I have never used Plex. But based on the one time I tried, this doesn't surprise me even a little bit.

Years ago I installed it on my NAS, it was a one click download package. I installed it and hit the button to set it up. And then it prompted me to make a cloud account.

Why do I need a cloud account? I am logging into my local server and I am not sharing anything with anybody nor am I subscribing to any cloud services. I have no need of a cloud account. But, the way they built the thing, you need a cloud account to log into your local system.

I did not create a cloud account. I uninstalled it. I concluded that a company that claims to care about user privacy, but requires cloud integration in an area that absolutely does not require cloud anything, does not actually give a shit about privacy. I Googled and found that the requirement for a cloud account was, at the time, a fairly new thing. Lots of people didn't like it. I concluded that this company was beginning to enshittify, although this was years ago and none of us had heard that word yet. But either way, it was obvious that the company was moving in a not customer-friendly direction and I did not want to be along for the ride.

My choice has been proven right several times over the years since. And yes, every time they remove a feature, or make some other customer unfriendly decision, I retell this story.

The moral here is that a company either cares about its customers or it doesn't, and it's usually pretty easy to tell which one fairly quickly. When one bad decision is made, and not corrected, others will follow.

Synology is the latest example of that. For anyone not paying attention, they have recently announced that their 2025 series units will only work with Synology branded hard drives, which are of course more expensive than standard Seagate or Western Digital drives (which work just fine). But if you look, the bread crumbs are there and form a trail. Over the last few years they have removed features, for example the device is no longer can decode h.265 surveillance video, and the units will no longer display SMART data for 'unsupported' drives. I say no longer because they used to, but an update changed that so they no longer do.

Bottom line though is don't do business with companies that don't respect you.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 19 points 1 day ago

Once you invite an MBA in you can never uninvite them…

[–] deathbird@mander.xyz 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What was the appeal of Plex anyway?

[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It has been a few years since I last used Plex but I always liked their interface, their tech stack is fairly modern, they have apps for pretty much every device, their title matching for content works really well and there was not much wrong with it back in the day other than it lacking local authentication.

I switched over long ago when they started pushing streaming services to my users that I couldn't deactivate server side.

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[–] 30p87@feddit.org 211 points 1 day ago (59 children)

I never got the idea of selfhosting but paying (except for enterprise-grade support or donations) anyway.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 171 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (49 children)

You know all the certs and security and port stuff you need to do? Plex does that. You just download the app, point it at your folders with media, and you’re all set both at your home and beyond it. There is no self hosted solution that is that turnkey. I really don’t understand how so many people don’t see the appeal of that. It makes quasi-selfhosting possible for people with far less technical knowledge than those of us here.

I could write a less than one page bullet point instruction and virtually anyone who knows how to work a desktop computer could get a server up and running in one or two hours tops. If they have any computer experience, more like 30 minutes.

What’s more, people with literally no computer knowledge can easily open the app and watch your stuff. They just make an account, download the app, and they’re off to the races. TV, tablet, doesn’t matter. There is no self hosted solution that is nearly as streamlined as Plex. I say this as somebody who likes jellyfin a lot. They are completely different experiences that require completely different levels of knowledge

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 65 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

I am very fortunate in that before Plex I found and used ps3 media server/universal media server. Because of that, it always felt odd paying just to stream my own content on my own hardware. I am certainly not against paying developers, but Plex always felt like paying for another service, not donating to an awesome Dev cause I love what they do. Another reason I stopped using Plex, I couldn't get anyone but myself to give a dam and use Plex, (suddenly, when NETFLIX gets The Last Air Bender, NOW my sibling wants to binge watch it. 🙁). Jellyfin has served me just fine so far, it fucks up only in the same situation plex did, when I try watching with someone else.

[–] SmokyOrange@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I love Plex and will continue using it. I bought a lifetime Plex Pass years ago for and have no regrets. My Plex Pass means none of my watchers have to worry about paying anything.

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[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

LOL, aren't there at least a half dozen open source alternatives for Plex?

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"your friends"

dude my friends don't charge me for shit

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Wonder how long those 2.99 a month figures will last. I give it a year before there's no seperate remote streaming package and the only remaining one is >10$. The main appeal of Plex was not paying. It's used by pirates. The goal is content for free. It's no longer free. I don't care at all if random people can use my Plex server. If they are unwilling to adapt to a new platform, then I guess they'll resubscribe to Netflix. Most of them never unsubscribed from Netflix to begin with.

This was the end for me. Used Plex for almost a decade. I'm off to Jellyfin. It's actually almost no change whatsoever to integrate it into my home setup.

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