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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 90 points 2 days ago (4 children)

After a five-day manhunt, Mangione was arrested at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania. He faces state charges in Pennsylvania for allegedly carrying an unlicensed firearm, forgery, and providing false identification.

And if they located him via illegal means, none of that is admissable...

That's the chink they need to hammer on.

The woman who "called it in" did so because some random man walked up to the counter, identified Luigi to the worker, told her there was a large reward and she should call.

The chances of that truly being a random person who recognized him, and wanted him turned in, but didn't want to make the call themselves is astronomical.

And that's not getting into how unbelievable fast the response was.

Whatever means they actually used to locate him, they can't say. So you hammer their unbelievable explanation and ask the jury if they believe it, or if it sounds like a cover story.

It blows a giant hole in the prosecution's case, and raises doubts about the entire investigation

[–] Nyticus@kbin.melroy.org 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

McDonalds will probably reward that worker with a free drink and a McDouble. No raise. Extra hours.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A cynic would say they intentionally choose a minimum wage worker to fracture the working class.

Especially with trump in office and the pressure he'll put on the DOJ, this trial could be a breaking point.

If it comes up the cops (more likely feds) set that up, it's not only going to get Luigi free, it might actually lead to the 99% fighting back in the class war that's been going on here longer than America has been a sovereign country.

trump won't be able to handle Luigi walking free, and he's gonna over reach

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

It's lose lose for the prosecution at this point. Either Luigi walks free and potentially becomes a flashpoint to rally behind, or he becomes a martyr. The second will be worse for any authoritarian regime.

[–] bcgm3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

a free drink and a McDouble

Pfff, they're not gonna give em both

[–] brenstar@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago

They gets a get the free drink!*

*~ with the purchase of a McDouble ~

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And if they located him via illegal means, none of that is admissable...

Devil's advocate and IANAL, but illegally obtained evidence can still be admitted so long as at some point there was a legal means to obtain it. I'm sure there's a ton of nuance that goes into the specifics and especially regarding this case, but it's not like that stuff is completely tossed out of it was found illegally.

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Also not a lawyer.

This legal doctrine is called Fruit of the Poisonous Tree and there are specific exceptions that can be made for it. According to its wikipedia page:

The doctrine is subject to four main exceptions.[citation needed] The tainted evidence is admissible if:

it was discovered in part as a result of an independent, untainted source; or

it would inevitably have been discovered despite the tainted source; or

the chain of causation between the illegal action and the tainted evidence is too attenuated; or

the search warrant was not found to be valid based on probable cause, but was executed by government agents in good faith (called the good-faith exception).

That said though, half this page is appended with [Citation Needed] so I maybe wouldn't take that as gospel.

[–] ryan213@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Can you explain why it was through illegal means? I don't get that part.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If they found him via legal means, then that's the way they would have said they found him

A mystery man telling a woman at the counter to call before leaving minutes before swat moved in would just be a huge coincidence.

They knew he was on the bus and where it was stopping and they prepared for him.

But hey, maybe I missed something. But as far as I can remember law enforcement lost the benefit of the doubt a long time ago. I just don't trust the police in general at this point.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago

There are a bunch of laws outlining how governments can collect evidence. Yhere are some methods that are illegal. If they used a method prohibited by law, the evidence is unusable. If the violation to obtain the evidence is severe enough the cop gets charged.

[–] System_below@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 2 days ago (2 children)

But doesn't that just affect his state charges? Aren't his federal charges the one that are the real issue?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Tainted evidence is tainted evidence...

Like, if the state illegally finds proof you committed a crime, so they can't use it, that doesn't mean the feds get to. So let's say the stuff in his backpack was already in there, and there is some plausible explanation for all the "smoking gun" evidence to not have been noticed till like 11 hours later...

No one can use what was in the backpack if they were led to it via illegal methods.

It's just inadmissible and the prosecutors have to deal with losing it if they can't show a parallel investigation had a reasonable chance of discovering it.

[–] ouRKaoS 2 points 1 day ago

"Fruit of the poisonous tree" is how I've always heard this one; don't know if that's the actual legal term or not.

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The gun, forgery, and ID; maybe. How he was "found", no

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sad that this innocent man needs to defend himself. I wish they would look for the real killer.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 2 days ago (3 children)

the real killer? isn’t brian thompson already dead?

[–] sdfric88@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 day ago

Did they investigate the potential that this was a suicide?

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

nope, Andrew witty and MR hemseley of UHG. funny thing these ceo are all originally from the UK.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago

Didn't say they were alive or even above ground.

[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wait until the facts come out and everyone realizes The Adjustor is still out there somewhere.

You know, the guy in the video that shot the CEO and had thin brown eyebrows that were far apart. The guy who disappeared without a trace leaving his backpack full of Monopoly money. The idea that someone that careful would buy a similar jacket and backpack and put a confession and the disposable murder weapon inside was always incredibly stupid. Luigi didn’t do it for real.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

and MCD lady was looking for a free payday so she named the next random person that "looked liked the killer"

[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Has he considered running for office?

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] drcabbage@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago

Yup, that's how you get out of jail.

[–] System_below@lemmy.myserv.one 21 points 2 days ago

Won't matter.

He's up against the state who have shown that I f they have to break their own laws they will

[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

He turned 27 today, if anybody is looking for a new reason to donate.

https://www.givesendgo.com/legalfund-ceo-shooting-suspect

[–] carlossurf@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The revolution has started lol, billionaires are scared shitless

[–] Nyticus@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 1 day ago

Pfft, really now?

No they aren't scared shitless. They're cautious and aware. They just want to make an example of him.

It is like when people thought that guy who tried assassinating Trump was for the better of the country. Nah, he was just some psycho in the same political party as Trump was, just had dumb reasons to do it.

Armchair revolutionists wouldn't know a revolution even if it happened near them.

Let me know when at least 10 more CEOs get killed then we'll see.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago

I love your attitude, but… it’s far from started. One person died, and Luigi could be innocent. Which means it was probably a hit and not a political thing.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

you can tell when MUSK is using his toddler as human shield, i think he abandoned him already though.

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 19 points 2 days ago
[–] rusticus@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

You misspelled deductible