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[–] Carl@hexbear.net 51 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I don't know much about the Red Army Faction so I looked it up and

The RAF has been held responsible for 34 deaths, including industrialist Hanns Martin Schleyer, the Dresdner Bank head Jürgen Ponto, federal prosecutor Siegfried Buback, police officers, American servicemen stationed in Germany

they sound pretty great ngl.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

von der leyen was hiding from them in london lmao, the greatest miss after thatcher (although as a relative nobody, so it wouldn't be that pog)

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 18 points 2 days ago

Yah IIRC they were students and young adults who started their org after WWII so they could get revenge on Germans who escaped punishment for their crimes. Especially people who participated in the Holocaust that served light prison sentences or none at all in exchange for research/testifying against someone higher up.

What got them into trouble was when they kidnapped some kids and started killing people who were too young to have done anything during the war. People were already iffy on the use of violence, but it was understandable because a lot of German young people were upset how their relatives helped the nazis. When you start doing too much adventurism and bystanders get harmed, that's when the public no longer wants to tolerate bombings.

The book that the movie Die Hard is based on had an RAF cell as its antagonists. When they adapted it to a screenplay, they had to change them to thieves because at the time, killing Nazi-hunters was a "bad look."^*^

*Just kidding, it's because Americans were too oblivious to eastern European politics to understand nuance, and they didn't want to bog down the pace of the story explaining that the Nazis didn't magically disappear because we did a heckin' D-Day-erino or that Germany was kinda fucked up as a result of it, and so forth.

Besides, it was a Christmas movie. You don't want it to be sad, do you?

[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 40 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

They are the RAF, of course they would be pro-Palestinian. One of the “major justifications” for pro-zionism in german was that Germany’s 9/11 equivalent was done by the ~~PLA~~ PLO to free imprisoned RAF members. It scared the shit out of the fash back in the day, because they lugi-ed several “ex” nazi capitalists.

The period was called the german autumn.

[–] ComradeSpahija@hexbear.net 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Germany's 9/11 equivalent was done by the PLA

germany-cool 9/11 qin-shi-huangdi-fireball PRC-emblem

[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

Lol noticed my mistake. The chinese emperor dude had a point though.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They still feel the trauma and not only they. When the Hanau mass shooting happened in 2020 i watched the Polish special news segment about it. For 1,5 hours they barely even mentioned the topic (Hanau) but spend nearly entire time slandering RAF, with conclusion that domestic terrorism in Germany is communist.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Plenty of good germans out there. Just got to look for the Red ones.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)

less than 2 million if we generously split die linke in half, who continue to glaze their nazi pals in middle east as a whole

[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Most of the german left is worse on palestine than some right wingers and it pains me to say so.

I have found far more sympathy for the Palestinian cause with AFD voting working class boomers than with non-muslim (though a lot of germans of turkish & kurdish descent also don’t particularly care about “arabs) left-wingers in germany.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

boomers in the east? maybe some residual honecker-interesting

[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

South, so like hardcore mode. But in the east there are some nostalgic older people as well, who reject state narratives on principle.

[–] Gucci_Minh@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Antideutsche brainworms is really something.

[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

Not just, but they are the loudest.

[–] SockOlm@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

anti deusch more like ultra deusch

[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago

Unfathomably based

[–] pinguinu@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] plinky@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago

dunno, a twitter screenshot shrug-outta-hecks

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There was also a former RAF guy who became a neo nazi too lol

[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago

A lot became greens lol. Though that was more the Revolutionary Cells than the RAF.

[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 11 points 2 days ago

I think it was their lawyer

[–] buh@hexbear.net 13 points 2 days ago
[–] Boynomoder@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Boynomoder@hexbear.net 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Oh I thought it was like a WW2 thing.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago

RAF was founded after the war to go after nazis who escaped punishment but were safe in Germany because they got pardoned or served light sentences (compared to SS that fled to South America and got got by Mossad, communists, or whoever).

[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 15 points 2 days ago

She isnt that old. Most WW2 survivors are 90+. This was from Germany’s hippie era.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

around 65-70? meow-floppy

[–] Civility@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago