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I just found out I can buy a decent 400W solar panel in the local hardware store for around 90€ these days.

Are there people around with experience in off-grid solar? There is quite some supply in cheap MPTT charge controllers on the internet. And I can't afford a 700€ power station. But I would be able to buy a few power tool batteries or one of the lead-acid batteries people put in their caravan. Are there projects building a power station myself? Is this even worth it?

Maybe someone alredy wrote a blog post with recommendations or findings and failures along the way. Or has something similar running at home?

(Thanks to the mods for steering me towards the correct community.)

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[–] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

1st thing to do is to figure out what you need to power. Solar panels are way cheaper than charging and storage. Try to decide how much on-demand power during the dark part of the day you really need. If you can do most of what you need during the sunny part of the day, you can directly power stuff with no need for batteries. It may be that for your use case, you are better off buying 4 times as many solar panels, but no batteries.

Batteries account for 80-90% of total costs and energy invested in an off-grid solar system

https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2023/12/how-to-build-a-small-solar-power-system/

[–] czardestructo@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Listen to this guy, made a solar powered trailer/workshop and battery storage is the biggest limitation. If you get 3 days of bad weather the battery drains and you go offline. Or you spend tons of money over sizing the system and the batteries are wasted 95% time. Its a game of numbers and use cases.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 1 day ago

Thanks. That is a good read.

@hendrik Aliexpress will have every kind of DC wiring accessory you need for the consumption side, DC-DC converters ( up for battery and laptop charging , and down for USB ) plug and socket adapters.

12v fridges and TVs are a thing now. Most micro form factor PCs have 12 or 19v DC inputs. You can evennrun starlink from DC. 12 Dc Water pumps are cheap even selling small 12/24v Aircon and washing machines. Only thing that really doesnt work is cooking (gas bottle is best)

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Watch the Offgrid Garage YT channel, as well as Will Prowse's channel. A lot of these questions and more will be answered.

[–] abeorch@friendica.ginestes.es 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

@hendrik What is this Powerbstation thing? Its just solar panels + charge controller + batteries and some cables. If you must get an inverter but use it only when you absolutely must. Much better is Dc to Dc conversion for most electronics.

@hendrik I saw some company selling a 'powerstation' with a 200w panel for what looked like £1300! Nuts!

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes. I'm mainly looking for options for the charge controller and batteries part. (Preferably good, reliable and cost-effective.) I already found a solar panel, and I don't necessarily need an inverter and 230V AC. I think something like 12V would be fine for some applications, if I got battery monitoring and over-discharge prevention.

@hendrik Yup. Just look online for the millions of people who have put together a MPTT charge controller which will do everything with what ever their budget supports, lead acid or the more expensive deep cycle batteries. Good thick cables from panels to controller and battery are important.

We put 1200watts on our bus roof. Spend your money on as many panels as possible and a controller to support them first then add battery capacity as you can afford it if money an issue.

[–] Numse@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I believe it is worth it, but you will have to invest some of your time in research. You need to understand how to properly size your system. For example the MPPT is sized, not only to the specs of the solar panel array (or single panel in your case), but also to the nominal voltage of the battery bank (12V vs 24V). Then, if you want to use that power, you will need an inverter. It is all doable but all-in-one power stations are becoming cheaper and cheaper. You could look at refurbished or wait for sales. It's not much more than a DIY setup. If you do opt for DIY, I would use lithium batteries. Initial cost seems higher but they are ultimately cheaper and safer over time. There are several low-cost brands today that sell lithium close to led-acid prices (li-time, watt-cycle).

[–] Numse@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I haven't really explored other chemistries because bulkier was a no-go for me. But you also may want to look at discharge profiles. Lithium (LifePO4) have a nice linear discharge rate, so you get nice constant power until the end (think power tools: they work, they work, they work, the battery is dead). Also, if considering other chemistries, you need to also know the charging profile and determine if the MPPT can produce that profile to charge your batteries.

Yeah, i would definitely look at LIFEPO4. People just have the name recognition of "lithium" so they don't really understand the differences between that and lithium ion, and so from what I saw last time I checked, the price was not really different, even though LIFEPO4 lasts longer and is safer.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What about sodium batteries? Aren't they a bit bulkier but cheaper and safer?

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Finding a charge controller and inverter that's compatible with the voltage of sodium ion batteries will be difficult.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

They sell them on AliExpress.

[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Are those already in mass production and available to random customers? All I can find are a lot of recent news articles, very few manufacturers and very pricey batteries.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I don't know the volumes but you can get them on aliexpress in lots of form factors, like 18650 or bigger blocks.

No idea how price competitive they are.

[–] Vimana@feddit.uk 1 points 3 days ago

I would also add to make sure there's a good battery management system (BMS).

Apparently very easy to build your own lifepo4 battery bank using (prismatic) cells connected in series and extremely cheap to diy- huge power for much much cheaper than trying to afford a higher power battery. This is my next upgrade.

Works extremely well if using LEDs etc Victron energy has all the info. My project was to upgrade power on my old (fixer upper) boat so I only needed 12v info Delighted with result.

Plenty of info around once usecase gets more specific... I focused on sailing specific forums etc I mean... Envision LiFePO4 315Ah Prismatic Cell (Grade B) for less than £50

https://www.fogstar.co.uk/products/envision-lifepo4-315ah-prismatic-cell-grade-b?variant=53483558732153&country=GB&currency=GBP&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=17176519818