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Lack of education and critical thinking. Which people thought was because of the lack of available access to information. Yup, turns out even with access to knowledge people still wont bother to educate themselves.
Now they are blaming educators because they are voluntarily ignorant, we lead the horse to water but we cant make them drink....doesn't help when they want to call educators racists for trying to encourage a postive self image or dare I utter the taboo phrase, social awareness...
Bro's saying this as if written and spoken language didn't count as information before LMAO.
The only difference now is the bandwidth but the information was there
"You can't deny science when you have a radio made by science and see all the electronic"
Turns out, once radios are complex enough, you don't see the electronic anymore
Or completely glued together and you get a cease and desist when you start tinkering with it.
We lost something big with the transition to digital, and that's DIY hardware built entirely from discrete components.
Nowadays, everything uses a microcontroller.
There was a sweet spot when computers were actually made out of transistors.
Nowadays, they're all made by arcane magic.
Admittedly they probably didn't expect an enormous, sophisticated, and well-coordinated effort to promote ignorance and push so much misinformation so as to effectively muddy the waters of that information either though.
That's basically the plot of brave new world.
where's the soma?
It's called social media.
SOcial Media Addiction (SOMA)
well yeah but probably they should have expected it ...
People don't want to be corrected, they want to be validated.
People want to be correct.
For some that means never being questioned. For some, it means always questioning themselves.
"You're not just a regular moron, you were DESIGNED to be a moron. " - Portal 2
Probably the darkest truth - modern moronity is generally by design, not by misfortune.
Wrong. It is a lack of access to information. Good luck trying to find something useful on the modern Internet.
Yes, in the mid-late 90s Internet was making people cleverer. Because we didn't have kids, influencers, politicians and activists on the Internet. It was a source of technical information managed by technical specialists. It was a good time. And you destroyed it.
Internet became bad when it got controlled by engagement seeking corporations.
More specifically, the internet failed because society decided to dedicate an entire generation of the world’s most brilliant minds to the problem of ad optimization. This directly led to the modern clickbait/ragebait disinformation problem.
If we had just taken those same engineers and said to solve any other problem, it would’ve been done ages ago.
I think the problem stems of the fact that google was convinced in 2000 that the internet needs to make money to keep being developed.
And that belief is primarily inspired by neoliberal belief that everything needs to make money.
However, information should be free. And so should the internet.
Wrong. Having been in group chats with people I know are real and have been debunked consistently since 2020, it doesn’t matter. 80% of people pick their reality based on feels, and 30% are straight up fascists.
In the mid 90s the internet was composed primarily of the 20% of the pop who are capable of reflection.
In the 90s chat rooms/forums were a cesspool, just as they are today. But the web, while rough around the edges in terms of design/organization (hence the need for search engines) was great for information. Vast majority of websites had good intentions. That is not the case today.
Wrong. It is a lack of access to information. Good luck trying to find something useful on the modern Internet.
Yes, in the mid-late 90s Internet was making people cleverer. Because we didn’t have kids, influencers, politicians and activists on the Internet. It was a source of technical information managed by technical specialists. It was a good time. And you destroyed it.
this is a dumb take. the existence of wrong information doesn't negate the existence of good information on the same medium. it's like saying "i can't improve my physical fitness because i can't go to a gym," while ignoring the possibility of bodyweight exercise at home. the access is there, people just don't want to put in any work and want to blame something other than themselves.
so no, it's not a lack of access to information that's causing widespread stupidity. case in point: maga--how many of us have been outright shouting that trump is a conman, and here's the literal proof--the information, which is good, is right there. and yet people still choose to death threaten dr. fauci because they "don't like" the good information.
the existence of wrong information doesn’t negate the existence of good information on the same medium.
When there are no proper ways to sift through and structure that information, it kind of does, but your point overall is still not wrong, just this part I think misses part of the picture.
people just don’t want to put in any work and want to blame something other than themselves.
Yes, although I dare say that it is not as simple as saying "just do better" and "putting work in" - when there's a massive amount of work and resources put into getting people de-facto addicted to primarily ad-driven engagement with mostly garbage information.
case in point: maga–how many of us have been outright shouting that trump is a conman, and here’s the literal proof–the information, which is good, is right there. and yet people still choose to death threaten dr. fauci because they “don’t like” the good information.
That, however, very much stands. The original vision really, really thought that truth and quality would win out in a "marketplace of ideas". However, narcissistic appeasement and a combination of humiliating and then making people feel powerful by proxy wins out, especially considering there is no guiding consensus.
Availability to information is important, and that includes making it possible to sift through the mountains of nonsense, including teaching how to spot nonsense. But on top of that, it requires a solid foundation for society, and a consensus to direct what is true and what not (science, functioning professional journalism, etc.) Otherwise, when there is no consensus guiding towards (but not setting completely in stone) "truth", it will always be whatever is emotionally convenient from individual to individual - and the dynamics of the system will favour information that both panders to narcissistic self-affirmation (not necessarily positive emotions), as well as beating you down in a way that you crave those from your ego being made fragile to begin with.
Yeah, but it's the equivalent of gyms opening a ficking McDonalds inside so you have to work out in the smell.
The thing is, while it might be good enough for some people to find information, people on average get distracted and scammed by the efforts to scam and distract people.
Propaganda works, that's why they do it.
Having access to information doesn't help people who can't read or don't have the ability to comprehend what they're reading.
it's not just reading skills, it's also ability to cross-correlate information to other information and perform consistency checks.
Assuming all the information on the internet was true, this could have been reevaluated.
But in today’s world unfortunately internet is more fabricated information than real information
It was the lack of access to the right information. Most people won't spend hours researching a topic. Most people don't spend any time on seeking outbinformation. They only absorb whatever information they happen to come across. And liars are especially adept at being loud. So they're the first, and often only, to be heard.
In a world without corruption, a ministry of truth would work wonders. In our world, I don't know what would work.
I don't particularly remember many people saying that. I think they were all up their asses about iq.
Ah, yes, that all meaning number that represents your ability to exceed at very specific and biased tasks. Love it
There was a lot of talk about how being able to access any information would drastically increase the average knowledge base, which could possibly increase IQ.
The internet did get rid of ETI theories of UFOs and probably facts. Now we have Wikipedia and ubiquitous cameras.
Instead we have WTF is THAT UFOs called UAP, and singing abandoned buildings, but no ghosts.
Part of the problem now is fake news and we're about to lose video authentication the first time someone makes a convincing AI-generated street incident.
The fake news honestly frightens me. Lord knows what will happen because of it but there's many truly terrible possibilities
Nearly everything I've learned in my life is thanks to the internet but sure. I guess I get the point
You have to teach people to teach themselves though. Just because someone has access to a book doesn't mean they'll read it.
tbf the internet is also jam-packed with misinformation which doesn't only counteract people learning the truth, but also makes them confident about their false views
Not the people's fault, now we disinformation and the firehose of falsehoods 🙃
I grew up before the Internet was mainstream and I don't remember this. We all had access to basically the same information and some of us still had worse or better ideas than our peers. Access was always only one part of the equation; beyond that, you need the information to be useful and accurate (big problem on the Internet), you need the desire to engage with that information, the ability to process and understand it correctly, the ability to discern when factual information is being cherry-picked or otherwise used in misleading ways ...
If you trip over on any of those points or whatever else I've forgotten to mention, you come out the other end with bad information, access be damned.
this is why republicans fight tooth and nail to eliminate critical thinking from the curriculum--so much easier to control people when they believe what they're told without question, instead of choosing a stance based on broad daylight evidence and facts. so now we have a wannabe con man in the white house surrounded by sheep cultist followers who would literally take all the bullets for him
