Don't know where else to say this ... but I'm enjoying the new shows on my own. : risa

[–] Stamets@startrek.website 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Man, I'm sorry for some people Everytime someone says that they're enjoying Discovery you have some arrogant piece of shit who has to waltz in and say "YEAH BUT IT SUCKS AND THEY FUCKED UP THE SEASONS AND IT'S NOT ENJOYABLE".

Just let other people like what they like, fuck. Is that so hard?

I'm so tired of this constant negativity from people who claim to be Trek fans while being utterly blind to the lessons therein.

Keep enjoying the show buddy. I'm glad you're having a fun time and I'm sorry that so many douchebags can't let other people have their own fun. Fuck 'em.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Which is why I just watch it on my own now. I've given up trying to share experiences or convince people to appreciate things I like.

I like things I like and I share them with others who are willing to share that experience with me .... I'm not going to try to convince anyone.

When it comes to entertainment I won't bother disagreeing much any more .... but when it comes to real life experience, especially war and death, I'll argue and fight.

But when it comes to Star Trek, I'm starting to realize that there is no shortage of friends out there like you who I can enjoy all this with.

My only complaint with you is that you are freaking making me so excited to see more .... you've infected me! What have you done!!!!

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I stayed out of the Star Trek fandoms for years because of this. I've always liked Enterprise, and I like the new shows, some more than others, but I've enjoyed all of them at least to some extent. I don't need some jackass telling me why I'm wrong for liking something. (Edit correction - I just couldn't get into Prodigy. I'm sure it's great, but it just didn't work for me.)

I joined a Star Trek Wholesomeposting group on Facebook where belittling the shows or the people that like them is explicitly not allowed. It's great.

[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A fine time to use one. Just one I don't think I would have come up with myself.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

Like a blind man at an orgy .... I was going to have to feel my way through

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

You know which Star Trek show is the best one?

The one you like the most.

[–] Pickle_Jr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I binged like the last quarter of the 2nd season really stoned the first time around. 10/10 experience. Honestly it was awesome. Would do again.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The second half of season 2 is the only part of Disco that I actually enjoyed. Well, aside from anytime Tig was on screen.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My favorite part of discovery was learning who Tig was, and now it’s a whole can of worms like when I first fell in love with Sarah Silverman.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Dude, she’s amazing. I will watch or listen to anything she’s so much as attached to. Her podcast is insightful and funny. One Mississippi was hilarious and dark. Her episode of Birbiglia’s podcast is one of my favorite podcast episodes ever. She made Army of the Dead for me. Just an absolute sardonic delight.

[–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wait for the last season. It's kind of awesome what they did with everything. Big and small come together in pretty great ways

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

[–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Umm are we friends now?

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You were my friend before you even asked

[–] Jaytreeman@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

Every interaction with you so far has been very pleasant. Keep up the good fight. I look forward to our next one

[–] blaine@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Here's what I don't understand. They went through the Singularity to the future because that was the only place the Control AI wouldn't be able to find them, right? Except Control was already destroyed before they went through the Singularity!

I've never even been able to start season 3 because I just can't get past the stupidity of not reversing the engines away from the Singularity the moment Control was eliminated as a threat.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Except Control was already destroyed before they went through the Singularity!

They didn't know that for sure, and the debriefings with Pike, Spock, and the gang at the end establish that they took some time afterward to confirm that Control had been completely eliminated.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 3 points 11 months ago

Well, that's where I think their plan falls apart a bit. My interpretation was always that they were going to try to stay in the wormhole, effectively removing themselves from the timestream - hence the episode title "Perpetual Infinity". I don't have access to episode transcripts right now, but Memory Alpha seems to support this:

Burnham speculates that perhaps instead of fighting against time, they flow with it, and try to merge the Sphere into the "river of time" itself – sending it so far into the future that it would not be able to harm them. Stamets' examination of the Red Angel's suit has revealed it has almost infinite data storage, which Pike takes to mean that they would input the Sphere archive into the suit, program a destination beyond Gabrielle's anchor point, and let the micro-wormhole take it away forever. "Perpetual infinity", Stamets confirms; Control will not be able to get the data, ever.

However, I think there are multiple ways to interpret the scene, and I think the last couple of episodes of the season are pretty sloppy in that regard.

[–] avenging_beatrice@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

I think it was to make sure that there was a clean break of the data from the timeline just in case Control had hidden some part of itself somewhere. That way the data was in no danger of being found while efforts were made in present time to ensure there would never be a “Control” again. Georgiou said she leaves as little to chance as she can (I’m paraphrasing a bit there). Notice she didn’t say Control was “dead” or “gone”, she said “neutralized.” By still flinging Discovery far into the future, I’m guessing Pike and Saru felt the same - this was too important to leave to chance, they had to be sure.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's the paradox tho.... if they go through, they fulfill the timeline of the future. If they don't, they break the timeline and now there is a new chance for control to reappear and restart.

The other thing is .... these are time paradoxes so whatever happens creates a new universe and we will never become aware of the alternate versions.

But you do have a great point .... I was so excited watching the finale that I didn't think of that.

There are plot holes everywhere that you could fly a star ship through .... but I still enjoyed it.

[–] JWBananas@startrek.website 2 points 11 months ago

The other thing is ... these are time paradoxes so whatever happens creates a new universe and we will never become aware of the alternate versions.

Are you thinking Marvel-style timeline-forking? I could be wrong, but I believe it is established that time doesn't work that way in Trek.

[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 1 points 11 months ago

As others have said this isn’t the infinitely expanding manifold time of DC or MCU (pre Loki season 2).

SNW season two confirmed what we could infer from the premier of TNG when the date of WW3 had shifted back decades. It also happens to line up better with the understandings of modern physics.

The Prime Timeline in Star Trek is a resilient enormous river. It can be shifted a bit in its course, slip forwards and back.

BUT major events remain largely unchanged

those changes that aren’t large enough to create a major fork shift to a very different future as in TOS City at the Edge of Forever

OR

it takes an event of the order of the Romulan Supernova to create a new branch universe (Kelvin U).

[–] eva_sieve@startrek.website 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You might want to see a doctor about that. But have fun!

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 4 points 11 months ago

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.de -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

If only ~~they didn't fuck up~~ season 3 ~~so badly.~~ wasn't such a disappointment for me.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

For real. Everytime someone says "I like Discovery!" You've always got to have someone with this type of arrogance go "But it sucks though" and pretend like their opinion is fact.

Two comments I've seen from this person on two posts within an hour and both having the same negative energy. I'm just going to go ahead and hit the block button because it doesn't look like they're going to provide anything other than negative energy and i'm tired of it.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 8 points 11 months ago

It's partly why /r/StarTrek started it's "be nice" rule in ~2018. It's ok to disagree, but to just pee all over something someone liked for no reason other than the fact that they brought up that they liked it is exhausting.

[–] TwoCubed@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don't know, I kinda like the discussions. It's rarely really toxic, just people having strong opinions. And a lot of it is legit. I kinda like Enterprise, but there's also a whole bunch of things that are wrong with it. A lot of these discussions end up explaining things about the lore or end up being memes.

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.de 3 points 11 months ago

I didn't really want to be toxic and I didn't think expressing my disappointment about the show would be viewed that way. Thanks for not simply blocking me.

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.de 0 points 11 months ago

It was two comments about the same show. I'm sorry I don't like your favorite tree (looking at your username) but I don't think that makes me toxic. I actually went back and checked my comments on this community and they basically all light heartedly banter or admiration for the respective memes.

[–] gnuplusmatt@startrek.website -2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm not defending negative nellies - but its is possible to enjoy something and still criticise it. You've attacked me in the past for having a minor criticism. I'm not going to block you over it, I just think twice about whether I want the hassle, but maybe that's just me

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Take it easy guys ... I've watched Star Trek for so many years now ... I really don't care what they get right or wrong any more ... I just love the series for what it is, it's been so much part of my life now that it's like looking at a family member who is decent, has their flaws but I still love none the less.

[–] MaggiWuerze@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

No, I think I really could have worded that more diplomatically. This topic is important for people and I should try to word my criticism in a constructive manner

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 3 points 11 months ago

Cheers

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 3 points 11 months ago

Risa