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The problem I have with men, especially on Lemmy, is they have plenty of men's issues they could be calling attention to to try to actually change things, but instead of that they use them as weapons against women, and make no real attempt to fix their issues lest they lose their ammunition.
Yep! I've never seen a manosphere type raise the following:
They want to identify as victim and blame us. Without looking at men that genuinely are marginalised, like how disabled men are effected by ableism throughout the west.
I would also add the vulnerability of male children to the list of things they never bring up except as a weapon. young boys are often treated by society as if they're just mini adults, to the point where nobody looks twice if their sexually harassed or assaulted. But men never bring this up in an attempt to change it. It's only ever used as an ammo to fling at women and say "actually, we're just as if not more oppressed."
As a trans woman who dealt with that pretransition, that one really stings to me. Nobody cares about helping people like me, we're just a weapon to be used.
Excellent point and I agree.
We think some of it might be that they see women as the ones who solve all their problems and so when they don't they want to blame us instead of fixing it themselves.
Check the post about the rise of the manosphere. Shockingly the top and first comments were all blaming wimmenz for it
Yep there was also a guy outright lying about why he got banned from here.
Speaking as somebody who pretransition started a free fall down that pipeline, I do wanna point something out about that.
TLDR: Men are taught to bottle things up, manosphere let's them address their bottled up problems by lying and telling them it's women's fault exclusively.
The general consensus is that the rise is caused by societal issues and conventions which expect men to stay silent about their feelings and issues, and resolve them on their own without help. The manosphere offers a space where they can be heard and gives them an actionable solution to the issue (as men are taught to seek.)
The problem is that "actionable solution" is to lie and say it's all women's fault, and that if they harrass and dominate women, then the problem will magically go away. It's a more tangible solution than "society has issues and you could play a small part in helping it, but you can't fix it on your own because you can't control other's actions."
Men assume whatever solution is more tangible must be the right one.
I say all this just because I feel it's important to understand what's going on in their heads if we're gonna combat it. I also want to point out that I know what I described here is the patriarchy, but I avoid using the word because even if it's the proper term, it's very easily misunderstood, and when something is misunderstood more often then not by those who need to hear it most, it ceases to be a good tool for communication.
Maybe I'm preaching to the choir, I dunno.
Check my comment history for my response on that thread :)
Ah, I missed that because I have lemmy.world blocked. You make good points.
Autistic gay man here. You are absolutely right about certain important issues being neglected, especially now, although there's a few important general complications about common narratives on the subject.
Part of it is how hard guys have been shut down when trying to help those in need.
A big part is intentionally divisive propaganda, which is more commonplace than people realize. How BLM and antifa got quickly painted as antagonistic and evil. valid attempts to deal with men's issues also got slandered until all the progressives left the space, or killed themselves, like the guy who was trying to create Canada's first men's shelter after surviving abuse.
Those trying to address the division and promote cooperation with feminism were met with incredulity, and images of severed penises, because of the narrative was that there could be no valid men's issues.
Many years and dead friends later, I'm still getting banned from most spaces for just trying to talk about communication issues and how minority groups are affected by social constructs of reciprocal division.
Keep in mind, no group is perfectly homogenous. TERFS exist and are a problem, but we don't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater and renounce all of feminism due to the anti trans idiots. If feminism was younger and smaller, I'm sure propagandists would try that to increase hate for feminism, freeing abandoned feminist spaces for bad actors, like how incels took over completely once the good actors and progressives gave up on men's spaces due to slander and demoralization. Note that much of the aggression experienced by both sides is fabricated via third party. I've seen entire media groups come and go, doing nothing but spreading misinformation about anything divisive, up to and including the hillary emails, the science surrounding the reality of trans people, and there are articles about how the black community is propaganda target #1.
Weirdly, atheists also got a lot of targeted heat back then from these same propagandists, usually for actively fighting the growing cults that fed what MAGA became. the same christo fascists are now using lies about furries as an excuse to defund schools and keep the cycle of ignorance going. Heritage foundations and other well funded anti progressive establishments have been working hard keeping progressives attacking each other, and not finding solidarity in any capacity. Even just general anti circumcision sentiment got turned into "us vs them." because you can't be generally against baby genial mutilation without also being an incel equivalent, etc. Because the religious right to cut babies somehow became necessary for protecting feminism? This is what happens when social vibes take over actual communication, fueled by oligarch funded targeted aggression, snowballing into recursive justified grievances dissolving any pretense of solidarity between progressives.
Personally I just want everyone free from suffering, and for humanity to find solidarity and compassion, and to learn how to communicate.
This continues to be extremely unpopular.
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Incoming complaint in the Ask Lemmy community in 3...2...1...
Yep, likely coupled with reporting the post for sexism, misandry, extremism etc
Oh, do they complain about us in Ask Lemmy?
Convince me I don't want to peek inside. PLEASE!
We're famous!
Everyone told him to sod off, by the way.
Now ya gotta link it
Reminds me of how angry reddit used to get over the SRS subreddit (at least in the early days of it)
Except Keanu Reeves looks kinda cool. The Manosphere isn't full of Keanu Reeves. They're full of Eric Cartman:
It's full of all types both those that look like Keanu and Eric. Nothing wrong with either in terms of looks, only their attitudes.
Keanu also seems super respectful in basically everything he does.
I can hear the furious typing and heavy breathing....
I just want to thank you, @LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al, for giving us this group for men to come in and share their opinions in.
There aren't enough of those groups on Lemmy. 🤣
Hush ZDL. Men are speaking.
Incels ruin shit for everyone in every public internet space
Doesn't matter if they're a redpill/blackpill neckbeard or a terf