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A sovereign Microsoft 365 alternative: Nextcloud and IONOS join forces - Nextcloud (nextcloud.com)
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As organizations are looking to reclaim their digital sovereignty, IONOS and Nextcloud are building the fully featured office suite “Nextcloud Workspace”: a powerful Microsoft 365 alternative. As long-standing partners, we have the expertise to enable large companies and organizations with an all-round office suite as European answer to US products. Announced at the Nextcloud Summit earlier this month, this collaboration for digitally sovereign office software that meets the highest data protection requirements will launch in 2025.

To meet the rigorous needs of public institutions and enterprises, Nextcloud Workspace will integrate a full range of collaboration tools, including file storage and sharing, document editing, email, calendaring, video conferencing, chat, and AI-powered productivity features. Of course, this offering will be fully GDPR compliant and securely hosted in Europe.

Organizations can trust Nextcloud to deliver a fully integrated office and collaboration suite, thanks to the company’s experience in creating the world’s leading private cloud platform. IONOS, Europe’s largest cloud and hosting provider, is the ideal partner to ensure full GDPR compliance and protection from US legal exposure. Hosting will be managed exclusively in Germany, at IONOS’ extensive network of data centers.

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[–] Alerian@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I am not sure what this is supposed to be announcing. I have been using the hosted nextcloud from Ionos for a few year and I can say the experience has not been good. The nextcloud version is outdated by several years, the store is locked and the service minimal.

That being said it was the most competitive provider I could find for nextcloud + collabora as a service (not all provider include it, hetzner does not)

Though I love nextcloud and I switched to a new provider this month, the office apps still need work,the se patate server they require make the ecosystem difficult to read. Still overall I am very happy to see this kind of things surfacing, as nextcloud is a very nice alternative to gsuite or o365 with a lot of avantage. Just don't go with the Ionos version.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

Just branding, market positioning

[–] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago (4 children)

It's an alternative, but IONOS honestly fucking sucks as well, so I'm feeling pretty ambivalent about this.

[–] COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What's wrong with IONOS? Their VPS prices are some of the best out there and reliability has never been an issue for me.

[–] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I've had the opposite experience with their cloud services in a professional context. My biggest gripe is with United Internet, the monopolistic company that owns IONOS, 1&1 (an ISP) as well as the ad-ridden, flaming pile of garbage that are GMX and WEB.DE, two of the most popular email service providers in Germany as well as a constant source of pain for anyone operating an Email server. They will ignore common industry standards and best-practices, silently block your mailserver for absolutely no reason, not respond to inquiries and just generally make the internet a slightly worse place for small to medium sized businesses and selfhosters.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This sounds like issues with SPF, DMARC AND DKIM.

You mean you (or your clients) send email to gmx/web recipients and they arent even received/blocked?

Have you checked if your mail server IPs are on a blacklist?

[–] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

I wasn't looking for technical support. You can do everything correctly and still get your mails randomly marked as spam or not delivered at all. This has happened to us, some of our customers, multiple smaller email providers as well as several municipalities (imagine blackholing government emails, what a grand idea). They don't send sensible return headers, they might not even return your undelivered mail at all, they won't react to any inquiries to their postmaster contact (or anywhere else really), they will blacklist entire IP blocks sometimes. The only way to sidestep any issues with them is to pay a few thousand bucks to enter their ~~cool kids club~~ certified sender alliance, which is what the big marketing firms use to deliver mass amounts of unwanted ads unhindered through their networks.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Ionos used to be 1&1 which had a fairly poor reputation. Not sure what it's become nowadays. Apparently they haven't gotten much better.

[–] utjebe@reddthat.com 1 points 5 days ago

They have fairly good prices for small VPS, something like €1-2 and I cannot complain. Perfect for some small self hosting. I cannot comment on their more performant boxes.

1&1 is kind of typical telco, with all the shady stuff and contracts. DSL from them is without any issues. Mobile is kind of problematic, it was fine for past 3-4 years but with their "Fancy 5G net up to 300mbps" has pretty shit so far. Last week I was abroad and my sim would not connect at all. Contacted them via online chat and they said to call them... They fixed it after like 20h

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 10 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I've moved away from Nextcloud

It is such a pain to maintain and is way complicated

[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Not sure how long ago you tried it. But my first attempt at an install back in 2021 was so much more complicated than when I did it again in 2024. It's been rock solid ever since. I use the docker all-in-one method, it's pretty straightforward. When I went back to college, I decided to use it to organize all my classwork, and it's perfect for that. I still prefer LibreOffice to author papers though.

[–] ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 6 days ago

I’ve found the docker version very easily to maintain.

[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

Using YunoHost saves a lot of hassles

[–] idefix@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Europe’s largest cloud and hosting provider

It's the first time I'm hearing about IONOS. Are they really larger than OVH?

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago

Probably a case of hidden infrastructure.
I believe (no source) IONOS solely belongs to 1&1 AG of which 'United Internet' has a majority share (that I am sure of).
IONOS = Business focus. Primarily hosting and services
1&1 = End-Consumer focus. Primarily ISP and some other consumer services.

I would assume they count the infrastructure they provide for both 1&1 and IONOS.
Besides that they only have (I think) 2 DCs in Germany and 2 or 3 other locations in the EU and I think 1 in the US.

So in the end I would say it's either Hetzner or OVH and then IONOS as having the most infrastructure.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 7 points 6 days ago

Intentional BSOD-coloured branding?

[–] HyperfocusSurfer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Please tell me they're not writing it in php.

[–] jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nah, it'll be CGI.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Cool, I've always wanted to get back into Perl.

[–] cron@feddit.org 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I might be wrong, but it sounds like hosted nextcloud, not a completely new platform.

[–] stardustwager@lemm.ee 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Nextcloud is so slow and brittle, I can’t imagine scaling

[–] aksdb@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I was in the same boat and therefore my nextcloud instance was mostly running for backwards compatibility with a few setups I have, while I mostly use seafile, immich and sogo. But a few days ago I updated to nextcloud hub 10 (I think that's with nextcloud 31 under the hood) and damn does that run smooth. I was so impressed I got motivated to finally setup the high performance backend for nc talk.

I still dislike PHP, but nextcloud just won back my heart a little.

[–] towerful@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Why do you dislike PHP?

[–] aksdb@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

I don't like the syntax, the runtime environment (which runs interpreted) and for PHP more than many other languages (aside from JS), a lot of code out there is hacked together horribly which makes me completely distrust the community.

Personally I stay away from anything that doesn't have a compiler.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago

Not OP, and I don't particularly hate PHP but I certainly understand why everyone else does. It had a ton of horrible issues that didn't get fixed until 8. Just really awful stuff like a23+n7=30 , inconsistent syntax, It's just had a lot of holes over the years. Post perl, It had the next greatest number of plugins and was reasonably rapid so it took off with the inexperienced crowd, But we ended up with a lot of code written by a lot of inexperienced people and a lot of best practices were eschewed. Most of the big software names that run PHP have had a constant stream of really bad vulnerabilities, more so than a lot of other languages. (WordPress, PHPBB, vbulletin, a million horribly written WordPress plugins)

Personally, in a pinch I'll still do something in PHP. It's so incredibly rapid and gives you marginally decent debug right out of the gate with nothing installed.

[–] Lem453@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago

Owncloud infinite scale seems, well, much more scalable

[–] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Is this just hosted nextcloud with collabora office pre installed?

[–] Alerian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

Pretty much, though collabora is sold for a few additional euros/month. Not all providers for hosted nextcloud have a solution for the office apps (collabora or only office) so i've found it to be Ionos main advantage, along with very nice storage space for the price

[–] Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago

I'm wondering what will happen to openXchange which ionos is using currently and is afaik also holding parts of. It does exactly the same.

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