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A trot has a thought on the Khmer Rouge. (hexbear.net)
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[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Literally what about the KR was "Marxist"? You can argue that they were socialist in the crassest, broadest sense, but nothing about their project is Marxist specifically that I've ever heard of, and all of what I've heard (e.g. glasses) is anti-Marxist.

Now granted, I think Deng was probably right that the number of people the KR killed gets exaggerated significantly (people say 25% of the population, which is absurd), but the people they killed were still mostly Cambodian civilians and they would have been happy to kill more than they are accused of if they viably could kill more civilians than they already did and were given some excuse by their doctrines (e.g. glasses).

At least, this is my understanding of the matter. I'm happy to be corrected (except on them being Marxist, because I'm pretty confident that they weren't).

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah the guy who....

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...was bankrolled by the US and overthrown by Vietnam was a Marxist?

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

And Singapore

[–] VibeCoder@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“Trotsky would have fucked with Pol Pot” is quite the take lol

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 46 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There’s just something about him that I think Pol Pot may have had an issue with…

[–] sleeplessone@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago (4 children)

How did he keep the glasses on his face?

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

Gravity. How do you think he managed to be so annoying? It's a black hole of annoying thoughts behind his eyes.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It was pince-nez, literally meaning what they did "pinch-nose", people wear them before the usual ear holding things were invented, and the answer is: "poorly", they also needed to be this small and thus lighter and they still fell off easily. So no wonder this particular design was quickly forgotten.

[–] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

I think you like pinch them to your nose

[–] bobthened@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago

Serious answer: they're a kind of spectacles that have a spring clip (kinda like a clothes peg) over the nose.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

I don't think Pol Pot would fw Adam Friedland's humor.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lol.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I thought Trots didn't like China? Is this the particular ultra brainworms where they are just anti-USSR to the point that they will support any country that opposed them? (Also, are trots ultras? I can never remember)

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I ran into a Trot on here recently and I think I understand their stance. Trotsky himself criticized Stalin for his support of the KMT early on, which he saw as a betrayal of the CPC. But Trotskyists also have to oppose the CPC because they had a successful revolution and thereby tainted the perfect ideal with reality and practical concerns. I suspect that they might have some sort of narrative about the CPC being corrupted and it all being Stalin's fault.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, I know they oppose the CPC because they are AES and therefore revisionist/Stalinist, but I guess that makes sense that they must blame Stalin somehow for them being "corrupted"

Though that is a rough conversation. Good to see Trots haven't changed a bit and are still perfectly happy spouting off drivel that is internally contradictory and thinking that it makes them the One True Communists. I guess it make sense, the appeal of that sort of thinking is a smug "I told you so" attitude you get to throw at people, so they don't care about their worldview being consistent, they only care about their hypothetical "what should of happened" being better than reality. That's why I lump them in with ultras, because a lot of ultra groups do that too, ignoring material reality in favour of "(insert my favourite socialist figure here) should've waved their magic communism wand and made communism everywhere for everyone."

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The conversation was just funny to me. Like, we both basically agreed on several major points that the average person wouldn't even know what we were talking about (for example about the Second International), we both even basically agreed on what should've been done, with the benefit of hindsight, but because I said the decisions were understandable at the time, they're ready to declare me as an enemy of the people. And that's how you know what it's really about, that the theoretical/ideological points are just an afterthought and the main thing is this obsession with attacking and denouncing AES states.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Matches a lot of my experiences with Trots, often well read and know a lot about socialist history, but always in a "I can recite the exact names and addresses of everyone who attended the first international" sort of way. They can recite things that they have memorised, but they don't seek to understand it or interpret it, the "information" is pure and not to be examined or discussed or challenged, like religious dogma. There's no reflection, no understanding of the human element of these events, no "what would I do given the information they had at the time?" it's always just "the bad people did the bad thing and suppressed the good kind of communism forever."

[–] LargeAdultRedBook@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

OPPOSE BOOK WORSHIP

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

It will not do!

[–] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

More concretely, it was fifteen years before the CPC won the civil war that there was an ideological contention, with the "permanent revolution" types represented by Chen Duxiu all being ejected and/or denounced. I don't think it directly has to do with the status/successes of the party.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago

This might be an ideologically inconsistent trot or a Maoist in denial.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Also, are trots ultras?

Originally not, but modern ones definitely are, at least most of those i witnessed.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

The Marxist concept of totalitarianism.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

agony-immense

[–] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Did Bluesky change it so you can't read replies without an account?

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

I have an account but can't read the replies. I think it's because the people replying have blocked the user who made the comment I linked to.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

wtf-am-i-reading