thats gonna get me a lot of downvotes:
~~if jesus god, why he die~~
this post was submitted on 02 Jul 2025
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i think this passage explains why Jesus took on human form:
Hebrews 2:16-18 (kjv)
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Or, in a more amplified way:
Hebrews 2:16-18 (amplified Bible)
16 For, as we all know, He (Christ) does not take hold of [the fallen] angels [to give them a helping hand], but He does take hold of [the fallen] descendants of Abraham [extending to them His hand of deliverance].
17 Therefore, it was essential that He had to be made like His brothers (mankind) in every respect, so that He might [by experience] become a merciful and faithful High Priest in things related to God, to make atonement (propitiation) for the people’s sins [thereby wiping away the sin, satisfying divine justice, and providing a way of reconciliation between God and mankind].
18 Because He Himself [in His humanity] has suffered in being tempted, He is able to help and provide immediate assistance to those who are being tempted and exposed to suffering.
16 👀
When they brought Jesus back I rolled my eyes and said, “Just like Gandalf eh?”
What’s up with all the heroes acquiring power over death? Must be some sort of conspiracy.
turns out having your life flash before your eyes is very handy for refreshing your memory of the schoolbooks
For a real answer: The sacrifice isn't supposed to be Christ's.
Prior to Jesus, people sacrificed animals as penance, with greater sins requiring a more valuable ram or cow instead of a bird or something.
By sacrificing Jesus, humanity sacrificed God's personal presence on Earth, and the value of that sacrifice was enough to cover all sins for all people forever.
Cool. So we all get unlimited free sins now? Brb going to go commit some crimes, thanks Jesus!
Well Jesus' traditions outside of 'Christianity' aka apocrypha normally describes him as a sinner. He literally became the devil respresentation in the roman state. How?
He donned the name Pan. Pan already being a god associated debauchery and wild life. Remember this is what Jesus was to the roman elites. Hence when he took that name, it was also used against his image. 200 years later and christianity gets canonized but the imagery already formed.
I'm saying all of this to tell you, Jesus believed in sin. He commited it, but by wanting to cease it he at least became in control of himself. Rather than his want leading him. Sin isn't bad, but it can become a prison. Hence the gnostic genesis tradition.
That doesn't change the original joke. The Bible says animals don't have souls. When they are sacrificed they are gone. Jesus wasn't gone and furthermore rose from the dead so he was back on Earth for 40 days. He could have stayed longer. So he didn't sacrifice his personal presence either.
For believers, it isn't supposed to be about his sacrifice. It's humanity's sacrifice.
Sacrificing animals wasn't supposed to be about the animal's death. It was about the person making the sacrifice losing the animal as penance.
The story of the crucifixion is about all of humanity losing Christ as payment for all its sins.
humanity losing Christ as payment for all its sins.
But they didn't. Jesus was still on Earth and then ascended into heaven where he still exists. So nothing was lost.
Then why do people feel the need to thank/be indebted to Him if it's actually us who made the sacrifice?