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As per title. Now they are living in the permanent war propping up unsustainable state, which will crumble one day.

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[–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No, this is incredibly counter to historical fact. The zionist project began appropriation of Palestinian land even before the British mandate in 1917. The British helped accelerate this after their mandate, however. The displacement of Palestinians had grown so severe by 1936 that a large-scale armed rebellion was triggered (see Ghassan Khanafani's The 1936-39 Revolt in Palestine https://www.marxists.org/archive/kanafani/1972/revolt.htm for a bit of background).

Ultimately, the entity was wrested from British control through anti-English terror bombings.

That isn't to say that it doesn't serve English (and more broadly European) interests--there is a reason they supported the zionist appropriation of Palestinian lands. The British, and Europeans more broadly, wanted Jewish people out of Europe, and they wanted people they saw as expendable to be on the front-lines of colonial destabilization of Western Asia. Even the Third Reich supported zionist endeavours to relocate Jewish people to Palestine.

However it wasn't some English trap, nor was it done after the Holocaust. The zionists had historical agency and chose to embark on a settler-colonial trajectory long before the Nazis seized power, and they were willing to attack and alienate their British backers to secure their sovereignty and guarantee their place as the helmsmen of Palestinian colonization.

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

thanks for sharing Saoirse. can i ask: in the paragraphs citing figures of income/investment etc. does "PL" refer to the Palestine Pound?

[–] Muinteoir_Saoirse@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, PL stands for the Palestine lira (because the Ottoman currency was lira), which was also called the Palestine pound. You'll see PL used by people who would have called it the lira (usually Palestinians and Jordanians, who were used to liras from pre-mandate), and LP (or £P) used by the English.

[–] hellinkilla@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

I don't have any factual basis for it but I have had the emotional reaction like this.

It feels like some sort of long term trick has been played. Israelis (who are all Jews, and who try to act as though they rep all Jews) are back to being ghettoized Europeans who are exempted from certain norms/laws that bind others. Israel offers various services related to police, military and surveillance that would be distasteful if done elsewhere. They are both of and separate from europe. And to strategic value of being located in the middle east.

Overall conducting business on behalf of the ruling class. As per previous they are set up to be scapegoated for problems of the economic system in its entirety. Which is going really hard now. We've always had political repression but now some Jews have taken on being the face of that, explicitly on behalf of all Jews.

And Israel has become the public face of Holocaust and antisemitism denialism. By constantly comparing every tiny thing opposed to Israel to those, they minimize and deny. That is so twisted it feels like nobody could do it to themselves.

As the other person pointed out, people were happy for Jews to be out of Europe after ww2. People felt guilty about the holocaust and not resisting or aiding more. But not so guilty that they wanted to give up their apartment or job or live in proximity to a bunch of traumatized poor people that they never liked much to begin with. Israel was convenient to everyone. Nobody really thought of the Arabs; theyd just be colonized and displaced like so many brown/nonchristian populations before them.

I wonder what would have happened if not for the historical contingency of Zionism already being available. I dont think it could have been invented out of whole cloth in the moment.