I'm still confused how Apple won the same lawsuit against Epic that Google lost.
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A jury saw secret revenue sharing deals between Google, smartphone makers, and game developers. The jury saw internal emails between Google execs that suggested Google was scared of how Epic might convince its fellow game developers to join or create rival app stores, creating unwanted competition for Google.
Fuck Epic and all that, but a silver lining that this has bubbled up because of it
It's sad that any of this was ever allowed to happen in the first place, and that it took a giant corporation to break it up. This shit should have been stomped out 20 years ago when it was beginning.
honestly, my opinion of epic is starting to improve more and more with every legal case they open, It's about time someone with money stepped up.
They are bringing what everyone knew was going on into official record and forcing countries to do something about it. I'm rooting for em
Don't fall for the trap. It's one billionaire mad at the other. Epic has alot of puff but no real pazzaz for their store.
it's also bankrolled by Tencent.
Is that a bad thing?
depends how much chinese influence you want in the gaming market. They are already the biggest gaming company in the world.
It's also a bit hypotritical for chinese companies to be suing US companies for antitrust laws when the Chinese government outright bans app stores like Steam and Google Play in their own country. They get to have their cake and eat it too, then use all the money they make in china to push out further into the world economy.
depends how much chinese influence you want in the gaming market.
There's no stopping that train now, Tencent or no.
Traditional devs need to be ready to compete, and breaking up monopolies makes for a market more prepared to do so.
Traditional devs need to be ready to compete
I think that is the problem, though. The Chinese market is inherently anti-competitive.
The domestic market can be, and even that depends on your perspective. For example, China doesn't have the insane Disney copyright regime the West has that artificially suppresses competition.
Competing in the domestic Chinese market is another conversation entirely, as right now, for video games, China has to come to us. The remnants of insular, planned economy only get you so far when you're trying to build soft power and expand into foreign markets.
The issue though is that Chinese companies have the ability to tap into the massive domestic market in China in addition to international markets, while non-Chinese companies are locked out of the Chinese market unless their Chinese competitors get a cut. So the Chinese developers who get that additional profit from domestic Chinese players end up with a lot more financial weight to throw around than non-Chinese developers, who easily end up getting bought out or pushed out.
Yeah. Tim just wants his shitty App Store in more places so he can make his own anti competitive deals to force people to use it.
If the Epic Games store was a great feature rich platform on PC, Mac and Linux, then I would be inclined to take him at his word. But they have been running it for how many years? And it’s still bare bones and not offering anything compelling apart from subsidized free games.
I wish more people could recognize you can support specific actions without liking or approving of the entity taking those actions. It's not a binary choice.
in this case, the specific action gives the entity an unfair advantage in the global market. Epic (with help from tencent) is suing US companies for antitrust laws, but tencent benefits from exactly that with stores like Steam and Google play outright banned in china. They have the entire chinese market to themselves and use the profit from that to push out further into the global market by doing stuff exactly like this.
Epic is ~40% owned by Tencent which is a chinese company that directly benefits from Chinese Governement sponsored monopolies. China legally banned US based stores like Steam and Google Play.
Epic is not here to do you favors, they are here to push Tencent and China's global agenda.
Any benefit to you is incidental to them trying to make a profit. Don't be fooled into thinking they are fighting for you.
Good, better that the smaller evil company wins rather than the bigger evil one.
So true brother. Wasn't capitalism the embodiment of competition breeds innovation? The lack of regulators to keep up with technology has made this terrible monopoly and billionaire landscape
What makes this even more funny is that Android is more open than iOS or any of the gaming consoles out there.
Still good to see these anti competive practices come to light.
Yea, but when you dig a bit, it's all Google Play Store and Services, with a bit of Play Integrity on top
I pretty much like Epic. I've gotten tons of free quality games for free that don't have micropayment or tons of ads. Sure they might not be the newest version of the game, but there is something to be said about playing a game free from ads and not feeling like a second class citizen for not spending more on a "free" game than most people spend on rent and groceries combined.
That's cool and all, but the plan is to buy their way in by running at a massive loss then enshittify. Rather, even if that is not the current plan (it probably is), it will inevitably become the plan because it is a publicly traded company.
Yup. At some point even the play store was cool, somewhat nice to use and full of good free games. It always follows the same rulebook. Sadly people dont learn from history.
Just remember that they are trying to create a walled garden of exclusives, publishers are essentially bribed to publish their games only on the EGS. The money that funds these exclusivity deals, and your free games, are being funded majorly by selling gambling lootboxes to kids.
Also don't forget that you are not being given ownership of those games, it's pretty widely known by now that digital copies are not ownership, epic is fully able and capable to take those games from you.
Do you think the moment they decide that this "free game bribe tactic" isn't working, they won't just remove the free games given at the drop of a hat.
The money that funds these exclusivity deals, and your free games, are being funded majorly by selling gambling lootboxes to kids.
How the hell they would make so much money from gambling while not offering it in any first party games? Or the 12% from gacha like games is enough to fuel the entire game shop nowadays?
They are currently installed locally, and I even played at least one while the internet was down.