About on par with usual omni mental gymnastics.
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Well, carrion would be vegan, no?
If that animal was to die of natural causes, like sickness, lightning strike, old age, heart attack, etc. it could be considered vegan
Some do consider it vegan, same as the "freegan" subset. There's even at least one influencer who is a bit infamous for it But there's also a few problems with this line of reasoning. It still normalizes the idea of the consumption of animal products, so it's a slippery slope at best. It's also not scalable, as soon as probably even a modest proportion of people would adopt such a diet, demand would quickly start to surpass supply which would incentivise the artificial production of more road kill.
And then there's just the why? of it. Like if we're talking about extreme situations like starvation and poverty where there is literally no other choice, okay that would make sense. But otherwise, what is so wrong with eating plants that someone would go out of their way to eat carrion instead? With the likely putrefaction involved we are talking about literal self harm to avoid eating some good ol grains and beans.
normalizes the idea of the consumption of animal products
Consumption of animal products is normal. For thousands of years.
Is that how it works? In that case I have some business ideas ...
You're a bit late to the party, there's an entire subculture already.
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As a vegan I actually don’t want it to taste exactly like meat — that’s just creepy and gross.
The best vegan/vegetarian food I've had was the stuff that got away from finding substitutes for meat and just did its own thing.
I like both worlds: “traditional” vegan food as well as the processed meat substitutes.
As someone who currently eats meat but trying to reduce consumption for environmental reasons, I 100% want a vegan burger that tastes like the real deal
Do you try veggie burgers every now and then to see where it's at, at least?
Because some of them really are good. Or decent at least. Some are less than delicious, but eh.
Definitely they're improving all the time.
I do actually, the beyond burger era has been pretty good for upping the game but they're not quite there yet IMO
I'm completely with you that they're improving though, I think the smash burger style is gonna get there soon
Yeah, definitely improved a ton in the previous decade or so. They're not quite "there" if you want a burger for like a nice, thick, greasy medium patty in the middle. Like if you want to focus on the meat at all, then yeah, they're not there.
But.. if you just want like a fastfood type of burger with more toppings than patty, like a Whopper or something, then I'd say they pretty much are there.
I don't remember if it's exactly the beyond meat that burger king uses, but they have a nice vegan patty. One time they had Whoppers on offer, 3€ a piece, vegan and beef. Max 5 per person. I ordered 3 vegan and 2 beef I think. We ate them with my brother, and couldn't tell which was which. Turns out we probably had only them vegan burgers, but eh, didn't seem to matter that much.
So for replacing one of those thin, well done mcd/burger king generic patties? I think they're there. For replacing a patty made out of fresh meat and done to a proper medium? Yeah, they're not there.
Same. Plant-forward veggie burgers are great. Seitan is a revelation.
creepy and gross.
We are talking burger here, not your genitals.
One has severe and immediate ecological implications. Like 'next few hours' immediate.
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Well technically they're right about this.
Cow eat grass, and grass is a vegetation. Cow can turn grass into meat, so technically beef is vegetarian meat.
Bruh, that's just cringe. Why is people's diet a part of the culture war?
Because the animal ag industries are some of the biggest sponsors of the republican party. Eating animal products is a great way to directly support fascism.
Well that's unfortunate.