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I'm just curious for the new or existing people? Lemmy.ml has taken a hard turn to the right since the reddit exodus. There's been a lot of pro-imperialist propaganda being posted on world news, and a lot less diversity of opinion. It feels more neoliberal and neo-con to me.

Does anyone want to share what their political leanings are?

I'll start; I'm anti-imperialist pro-state regulated capitalism. I believe we should have usage based taxes (toll roads, carbon tax) and luxury taxes, and I disagree with wealth taxes for people with less than $250 million. The state should spend more money on consumer protection in all industries (environment, health, finance, etc.) I believe in multipolarity vs. US hegemony.

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[โ€“] Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Marxist-Leninist. I'm a believer in Socialist philosophy and the Marxist Material Dialectic, as explained by Marx, Engles, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.

While I am not a believer in Dengism, I believe that the Communist Party of China is ideologically Marxist and has made great strides in building China's productive forces and improving the lives of the Chinese people.

China is a large country, with many Chinese.

I oppose Western Imperialism and offer critical support to non-Socialist countries that oppose it.

For what it's worth, I also believe in racial and gender equality and gay/trans rights, but these battles are secondary to the class war.

[โ€“] baseless_discourse@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Movie/show protraiting gay/trans was banned (not explicitly, like all things in China, but it is impossible to find any of these films on popular platforms) in China, there are several good movies protraiting life of gay/trans people in the past, now they are no where to be found.

Chinese authorities arrested many protestors in recent anti-lockdown protest (also known as A4 protest), and deterred many such a protest, this includes protests in school or on the street. https://zh.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8F%8D%E5%B0%8D%E5%8B%95%E6%85%8B%E6%B8%85%E9%9B%B6%E6%94%BF%E7%AD%96%E9%81%8B%E5%8B%95

Chinese government spend a huge amount of effort to get Meng Wanzhou, one of China's largest capitalist, back in China. She goes back to China in a state-funded private plane, with a welcome crew. see: http://politics.people.com.cn/n1/2021/0926/c1001-32236326.html

Yet during Russian's invasion of Ukraine, China was one of the last major global power to relocated its citizens from Ukraine https://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/simp/world-60557132 which is echoed by https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/539682512?utm_id=0 (the second is obviously a pro-china post, but facts are shared between these two posts). Although most pro-China media claim that China have no knowledge of the Russian invasion, the Chinese spokesperson released some puzzling instructions, including painting Chinese flag on vehicles to avoid attack https://m.guancha.cn/internation/2022_02_25_627746 , given China's close relation with Russia and hostilities with the west (which backs Ukraine), it seems that Chiba assume Russia will achieve speedy victory, and Chinese citizens will be "spared" by Russian army.

This series of incident shows a staring contrast between how they treat capitalist v.s. normal citizens.

Not to mention the great firewall that restrict it's citizens from access to crucial knowledge that can be accessed freely across the world.

So my question to you is, do you think anti-minority, anti-protest, anti-knowledge, and wasting huge amount of government resources for a (foreign no less, she has a Canadian passport) capitalist is in alignment with socialism ideals promoted by Marx?


I intensionally choose the source in Chinese, many by state media, so that you wouldn't think my source is biased. If you still don't believe me, you can find Chinese community both on fediverse (like https://douchi.space/explore, https://m.cmx.im/explore) or r/china_irl on reddit. Talk to them see what they think.


That being said, I think most people would agree that western imperialism especially from the U.S. is extremely unfair and malicious at best, straight up curle and inhumane at worst.

All I am saying is that China sucks too; it is hostile towards its citizens. China does not represent the Marxism/Socialism ideals, but rather authoritarian capitalism.

[โ€“] matricaria@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Somewhere between Libertarian and Ancap. Still waiting for r/libertarianmeme to join Lemmy. But unfortunately, a lot of libertarians on Reddit seem to think that Reddit has the right to charge for the API. While I think this is true, I still think this makes the platform significantly worse.

[โ€“] Geostorm@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Since idolizing Richard Stallman in high school but disagreeing with some Greens, I've been an ACLU member Libertarian who votes progressive Democrat so the poor don't starve.

[โ€“] Skooshjones@vlemmy.net 5 points 1 year ago

Left wing market anarchist is the closest summary of my general views.

Left wing economically and socially. I believe strongly in workers rights, collective control over production and labor practices. All people have dignity and should be treated with a base level of care and concern, even if they have done horrific things. I am very supportive of LGBT+ folks and any marginalized or underprivileged groups.

Market because I am not against markets or money. I think they are tools that can greatly aid society if used correctly. I am strongly anti-capitalist, which is a economic and social philosophy that uses money and markets in ways that are inherently oppressive and exploitive.

Anarchist because I am anti-state. Monopolization of power and resources, especially in a capitalist society, only ever result in oppression, even if supposedly "of/for the people."

[โ€“] Abel@lemmy.nerdcore.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Trotskyist, which is basically "commie but against red fascism"

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[โ€“] BurnedDonutHole@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Live your life the way you want to live and don't fuck it up for others. Be peaceful, respectful and considerate. If there is a political affiliation about this I'm in that party.

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[โ€“] ccunix@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

Mainly socialist with a healthy dose of libertarianism.

I personally will do what I can to help those less fortunate. I tithe to a collection of charities for example. However, I just saw an advert from government telling me to wear a seat belt and just thought "I know! leave me the hell alone".

[โ€“] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The responses in this thread are kind of worrying.

[โ€“] DarthCluck@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Care to expound on why? I haven't seen anything too bad, nor extreme. Just opinions that dinner might agree with, others might disagree with

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[โ€“] _number8_@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

more progressive than the mainstream parties in the us but too stupid / lazy / timid to actually find and use a specific label / ideology

[โ€“] Badass_panda@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I suppose I'm a social democrat. I'm generally leftist for my country, but hardcore political ideologies that end with -ism seem naive to me.

[โ€“] nivenkos@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I used to be an active socialist, but it felt quite hopeless when protests are ignored and democracy scarcely exists (you just vote for the least bad option once every 5 years). Now I moved countries and can't even vote so am much more apolitical. I also didn't like the shift of those groups into identity politics, and often focussing on treating symptoms rather than the cause - e.g. the push in many places to decriminalise theft under ~$300 instead of actually ensuring people have jobs and opportunities, or unfair rent control rather than building more housing and dealing with the distribution of employment.

But in general I just want a functional, meritocratic society with easy opportunities for education, wide use of technology and as little bureaucracy as possible. No monarchy or religion, etc.

I also think there should be much stricter punishments for violent crime, and better use of technology to investigate it. Ideally everywhere would be like Singapore with almost no crime due to excellent enforcement, and also good provision of education, housing, etc. to make it less attractive overall.

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[โ€“] dandroid@dandroid.app 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Edit: Removing this because I feel I over shared a bit.

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[โ€“] Atarian@vlemmy.net 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm a good old fashioned NAP following libertarian/anarchist.

I don't really care about the left or right paradigm - what I care about is how badly you and your cronies are going to buttfuck us.

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[โ€“] drascus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

I'm in reality probably center left. I find that I tend to have nuanced views about a variety of things but I probably wouldn't hard commit to a particular political stripe. I tend to vote Democrat but I often disagree with them on certain things as well. Sometimes I think they are not doing enough on social and environmental issues and sometimes I think they have gone too far on other issues. There are some republican theories I don't mind but I don't generally see this current party actually focused on anything I agree with.

[โ€“] CarbonOtter@lemmy.one 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Liberal: Especially socially I'm very liberal. Everyone should have the same rights, opportunities and be treated equally no matter their race, sexual orientation, gender, religion etc. It should matter how you life your life as long as it doesn't negatively effect others. The government should only provide laws that limit this to protect those who cannot do that themselves (like kids growing up). Economically as well, like the free market, but regulation is important imo. Only if regulation wouldn't work or something is so vitally important to everyone or the economy that you can't do without it, is nationalisation an option for me. Keep the government as small as possible, but don't overdo it for the sake of making it smaller.

Progressive: this is mostly true for climate and social aspects. I welcome almost any regulation to make sure global heating slows down as much and fast as possible. Socially because society changes all the time and just because we treated people a certain way 50 years ago doesn't mean we should forever do that. On government spending and on defense I'm more conservative. Peace requires a strong military and the government should make sure its debt doesn't go out of control. Doesn't waste money on stuff the market can handle or on benefits that people don't really need. It annoyed me when I got hundreds of euros last year in compensation from the government for higher electricity and natural gas prices. I, and many others, didn't need it and it was better spend on more useful things.

Center wing: Help those who really need it, like the homeless, immigrants, people with bad illnesses or PTSD, but if someone makes (a lot) more than me then that's fine with me. I'm not expecting anyone who makes more than me to solve all the worlds issues while I can keep doing and buying what I do now. I'm in favor of many tougher regulations that will hit me financially, but will he better for the future.

At the same time I do expect everyone to pay their fair share in taxes and see taxes as a good thing.

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I'm some kind of lefty social anarcho-pacifist.

$capitalism != $freedom.

[โ€“] truckkun@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I'm an individualist. But not ideologically. I don't mind if people organize however they want. I'm just gonna do whatever I'm gonna do and I don't care if people prop up free healthcare, empires or communes around me as long as they let me do whatever I'm doing. If they do interfere I'll just stand on the opposite ideology and pretend to be against them ideologically. I don't even mind if they make laws against me, as long as they're not enforcing them, because I can just be against the enforcement.

[โ€“] Zarxrax@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, some good points there. I totally agree about the problems with meaningful political discourse. I honestly believe most people don't want to have a discussion on things, they just want to post their take and then feel validated by people up voting them. Add in bots and trolls, and political discussion just generally doesn't work on platforms like this (or most of the internet at large).

[โ€“] deerdelighted@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I'd say I'm economic center left and socially extremely liberal.

I Iike maximum personal freedom. For example: I'm fine with legalizing , taxing and regulating all drugs including things like heroin: with proper labels and forbidden to sell to children. For the record I personally would never put drugs into my own body, but people should have the freedom to choose if they wish to do so.

I want a well regulated capitalism with strong employees and consumer protections. I am somewhat undecided when it comes to things like worker coops and other forms of workplace democracy, but I think I'd lean towards a somewhat mixt system. Something akin to 50% of board members in a private company elected by employees and 50% by shareholders: that way there are still some incentives to invest, but also some checks and balances by people who actually work in the company and who thus wouldn't want to vote against their own interests.

And finally strong social safety nets with public housing for all low income people. Can be even some Soviet style brutalist architecture apartments, as long as it can house everyone and is reasonably well maintained.

[โ€“] Kissaki@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago

I don't put myself into a political ideology. And I'm not confident enough in the labeling to make a reasonable guess I'd feel comfortable with.

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