How's the censorship around here? (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago by psychothumbs@lemmy.world to c/piracy@lemmy.ml

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The reddit piracy community was in a neverending struggle to avoid being banned from the site, constantly censoring and restricting what people could post to keep the reddit admins happy. What's the situation with that sort of thing on lemmy? Is it a free for all? Same situation as back there? Something in between? I guess we may all find out together...

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[-] Ghast@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago

Judging by the IP address, lemmy.ml seems to be located in France. That's not fantastic for take-down notices, as far as I'm aware.

I'm in Serbia, land of the free, home of the torrents. I don't know if there are VPS providers here, but if so, it's a good country for hosting anything but government criticism (not that you'd need to criticize Vućić the benevolent, long may he reign).

[-] _comfortablyAverage_@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

I just want the website to work normally man.. The current influx of new users has shut almost everything down. The poor server hamsters...

[-] Ghast@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

Yea, we got some growing pains. I hope Lemmy.ml has prepared for Monday. If the tinyest percentage of Reddit comes along (and I've been mentions of Lemmy in many subreddits) then this place will experience a deluge.

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

They haven't. It's why I had to setup up my on instance

[-] Ghast@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

A couple of your links are broken.

This page links here: http://www.dbzer0.com/about/personal/reading/

Did you put in a relative link instead of an absolute link perhaps?

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Ha this stuff is really old. Need to Chek

[-] papasfritas@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

there are VPS providers but they're very expensive when compared to what you can get elsewhere

[-] Bad_company_daps@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

All hail Vućić the magnificent

[-] computerboss@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

There might be some issues with lemmy.ml itself after a while, but the community should be able to move to a different instance if it becomes a problem on one.

[-] rlhe@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Are you referring to physical issues with Lemmy.ml, like staying reliable, or some future philosophical changes?

[-] computerboss@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 year ago

It honestly could be either. But the most likely thing to happen is a big company (Disney, HBO, Netflix, ect) sends lemmy.ml a take down request that the mods decide is not worth fighting and they nuke the community. The nice thing is someone could always spin up an instance focused on piracy and ignore take down requests.

I actually think it would be really cool to have a Lemmy instance in Switzerland or somewhere that hosts communities like piracy, open signups, cracked games, ect.

[-] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 16 points 1 year ago

It's entirely possible that in the future lemmy.ml may be taken over by admins who disagree with piracy, taken down by a government, or simply run out of money to pay for hosting costs. If that happens it shouldn't be a huge problem as the federated nature of Lemmy shields other instances from stuff like that going down in a separate instance!

[-] rlhe@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Oh, I gotcha! I thought you had some immediate knowledge I didn't -- the reddit thing has me a bit jumpy I guess. lol. Lemmy.ml seems pretty chill, that's what I joined here, so I hope it stays sane!

[-] Jaximus@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

It will be different if millions join in and ot gets the attention of some company or the other. The good thing is that the comm can always move to another instance.

[-] piezoelectron@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago

Hey, I'd strongly recommend using njal.la or 1984.is to get a VPS and run your own instance from it. Both services are organisationally designed to fend off DMCA and other takedown notices. Like literally, the Njalla creator has a whole page where he mockingly replies to such requests.

Njalla is based in Sweden, 1984 in Iceland. Both accept anonymous crypto payments, but only 1984 accepts Monero.

More generally, I'd recommend these two services to anyone interested in running an instance catered to "risky" topics like piracy.

[-] Dislodge3233@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

I think you mixed them up. njal.la accepts Monero, but I think 1984.is doesn't. https://njal.la/pricing/. At least I couldn't see Monero as an option on 1984.is

[-] piezoelectron@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Oh interesting! Last I checked Njalla was Bitcoin/Ethereum only but glad they accept XMR now. I run a 1984 VPS so can confirm that they accept XMR. I prefer them as they're cheaper than Njalla (only a little bit still)

[-] king_dead@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

It's federated so if you run into any issues you can always make another

[-] pushka@beehaw.org 13 points 1 year ago

That would be safest , not a sub-community but start an instance hosted in Switzerland or Russia or something , then no one can complain (maybe mark your site to be blocked in a country or removed from Google.com

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

or removed from Google.com

Wouldn't that do very little given that people on any instance can see it anyways?

[-] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It would prevent general users from discovering it as easily, but it wouldn't prevent anyone in the fediverse from seeing it no, for that servers would have to block it on a server by server bases, which not every server will do

[-] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Genuinely it would be best for someone to make a piracy-focused instance in a country that has loose copyright laws. Then we can have separate communities for each type of piracy. i.e. a main piracy.co.ck website, then a !piracy community just for general piracy discussion and news, communities for books (!books, !textbooks), communities for movies (!movies, !moviesespañol, !moviesbollywood), individual communities for different game consoles (!pc, !switch, !ps3, !amstradcpc), and so on and so forth.

To help with server load we could even maybe set it up so nobody can make accounts on it and can only make posts from accounts on other servers? I don't know if that would help or is a possible configuration but it's worth a thought I think.

[-] ElvenMithril@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago

Would be interested in it as well. Whole reddit fiasco shows us that monopoly sooner or later will be abused

[-] pushka@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

It's scary , cos lemy.ml doesn't want the whole website deleted because Disney and Nintendo find one of their files here ,,

[-] foispan@terefere.eu 13 points 1 year ago

Yeah I think hosting a piracy community on the largest instance run by the devs is counterintuitive. Makes much more sense to host it on one of the 200 other instances

[-] techgearwhips@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

This is not possible since it's federated correct?

[-] koncertejo@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

This is why it's important that no one instance become the "main" instance for a federated service (see also: mastodon.social getting a lot of flack for officially becoming the default server). If that instance goes down then it suddenly takes a huge chunk of users and content with it. So long as lemmy.ml is one among dozens then all is good!

[-] kok@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

instance redundancy would be nice then

[-] NewBrainWhoThis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Why not load balance all content to all instances? So if an instance gets killed, the content remains. Or at least a backup strategy to rebuild an instance in the event of a take down

[-] ace@lemmy.ananace.dev 1 points 1 year ago

The ActivityPub protocol already does the "load balancing" part of your suggestion, it's the core feature of it in fact. But at the same time, the community itself is still only hosted on one server, so if it's removed there then all the previous content becomes "orphaned", but it still remains on all previously subscribed/participating servers.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago

Free for all social sites just become overwhelmed by alt-right fascists.

[-] psychothumbs@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Haha I don't mean that kind of censorship, I mean in terms of piracy.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

LOL, that makes sense. I didn't notice the sub...err..community I was in.

[-] CoffeeBot@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

It’s a classic paradox of tolerance situation.

[-] bloodfart@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Could use a sprinkling of fresh ground white pepper but otherwise absolutely passable.

[-] Sulfate4680@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

What if they threat the Lemmy.ml owners to handout users data just like they did with reddit? What type of data does this instance collect?

[-] dylanTheDeveloper@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I mean nobodies called me the n word yet so I guess it's pretty tame

[-] kujus@latte.isnot.coffee 2 points 1 year ago

I heard lemmy.ml bans/removes things critical of China/CCP, but haven't tested it yet. Maybe someone may chime in with experiences.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I heard If you're going to say something like that you should back it up with evidence.

[-] koosh@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://lemmy.pineapplemachine.com/post/5781

here's the proof you asked for, including mod logs.

TLDR: posts critical of the Chinese ruling party seems to be getting taken down, including mainstream news articles

that being said, I personally just arrived here, have had zero censorship experiences here so far, and am hoping for the best

[-] bandario@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

God damn that is so disturbing. I'm already losing hope for this platform if things like this are already happening. People should be free to speak as they please.

If you disagree, dispute the argument. I cannot stand ban culture!

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