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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 180 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Haven't they always done this for corporate customers with EoL products?

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Yeah, this is nothing new.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago (1 children)

False; it's now going to be offered to consumers, too.

That's the entire article, you're welcome.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Given that the alternative for consumers was to not get security updates at all, that's pretty sweet. I'd either upgrade to Windows 11, or swap to Linux though.

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[–] yggdar@lemmy.world 114 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Phrased differently: Microsoft announces the end of support for a product. If you want to pay for it, they will make an exception and continue to support it just for you.

I understand people dislike Windows 11, but complaining about life cycle management isn't going to help that.

[–] Send_me_nude_girls@feddit.de 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Will this lead to pirated security patches? What a strange timeline.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 11 months ago

This is absolutely nothing new, and the workaround is usually just a small registry tweak so Windows Update pulls from the extended support patches "channel". Same thing happened with Vista, 7, and 8.

Alternatively there are ways to download from the Windows Update servers using plenty of third party tools. It's a neccessity if you're going to streamline patches into your install media to save the post install mess of waiting for it to download and install all the updates that have come out since they first made the install .iso

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[–] WHYAREWEALLCAPS@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago

Should have figured it was clickbait. They've done this with several previous versions after EOL security support ended AFAIK.

[–] laurelraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 78 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Is this news? This is expected, it's what they did with 7 and XP after those reached full EOL, which happened on the day they said it would for 7 at the time 7 launched, and a few years after the date they said when XP launched.

The 2025 date has been known since 2015 when 10 launched and is the standard Microsoft ten year support cycle for operating systems.

And yet, in spite of this, every single time the tech media published these breathless and shocked articles about how horrible it is that Microsoft is suddenly dropping support for their ten year old systems.

These articles are like clockwork. I'd say we'll be getting them for Windows 11 in about seven or eight years, but they have a new "modern" lifestyle they've adopted for it that's more based on last major update release or something and it'll probably come sooner than that this time around.

[–] Broax@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Although I generally agree with the sentiment the problem here is that most computers can't be upgraded to windows 11 and that pretty much never happened before.

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[–] Rainman@feddit.de 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Generally I would agree with you, as the 10 year lifecycle you described is what's to be expected. With Windows 10 however, Microsoft said on release it would be the last Windows and they move to windows-as-a-service. So Windows 10 not being the last Windows and the upgrade path being closed by default for many older PCs is newsworthy.

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[–] M500@lemmy.ml 64 points 11 months ago (15 children)

I live in a 3rd world country and I can promise you that this is going to lead to a large percentage of the population using an insecure version of Windows 10 or just using mobile devices.

I doubt many people here will switch to Linux, but I can only hope. Maybe businesses will do that instead of buying new hardware. Recently, I saw a shop using Banana Pis as their checkout terminal.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 11 months ago

Every time this has occurred before, there's been a very easy registry tweak to make Windows Update pull these "paid extended support" patches for free.

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[–] Evilcoleslaw@lemmy.world 59 points 11 months ago (5 children)

So, this has been a standard phase of the Windows product lifecycle for 20+ years now. It doesn't really answer the problem with Windows 10 retirement and unsupported hardware on 11+ but it shouldn't be a shock to anyone.

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[–] Jorgelino@lemmy.ml 52 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That's great! Means it won't update randomly without my permission anymore.

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[–] TDCN@feddit.dk 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Good. That'll be the day I finally update to ~~windows 11~~ Linux

[–] Smacks@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Microsoft Blogpost keeps mentioning customers and I've seen it mentioned a few times in this thread, but it almost seems like they're gearing this towards businesses and not 100% average consumers. Then again, they do mention 365 subscribers so maybe they are. Either way it's such a waste that an OS would shutter anti-virus support for anyone who doesn't pay a subscription.

Also, a ton of people here keep saying how this will drive users to Linux. No, no it wont. It isn't the first shitty thing that Microsoft has done to their OS, and it won't be the last. Older and average people won't take time out of their day to swap OS's and learn terminals.

[–] CyberDine@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It's aimed at the U.S. Government. There's been an absolutely massive shift to get to Windows 10, updating systems as old as Windows 2000 to get there. MS advertised Windows 10 as their final OS, eventually backtracking and releasing Windows 11 and will continue to make iterative releases in the future. But for a moment The Government believed it and thought it was a great time to bite the bullet and go all in. Now that most major systems are upgraded to W10, it's doubtful from my perspective that U.S.G. will be able to support or migrate to W11 or even W12, meaning they will most likely pay a lot of money over many many years to keep MS providing security updates for the W10 platform.

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[–] spyd3r@sh.itjust.works 41 points 11 months ago

I'm going to flip that back on them, Microsoft will have to pay me to update my OS.

[–] sudoku@programming.dev 33 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hasn't this been a standard practice for decades? An absolute nothingburger.

[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's new for the consumer market, with past versions of Windows it's only been available to the biz side.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 32 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Gonna be a lot of unsecured PCs about then, thanks to that ridiculous TPM requirement.

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

I've been a computer geek and programmer for 35 years. I'm the one my entire extended family asks for IT help. I'm even consulted by the IT department at work.

And I have no idea how to get Windows 11 running on my home PC. It has a TPM but I have secure boot in BIOS set to "Other OS" because I dual boot with Linux. I'm not getting rid of Linux, that's my daily driver. I just use Windows to play games. What does MS expect me to do exactly, get a second PC for Windows?

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[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This shit contributes to electronic waste.

It would be a REALLY simple thing to implement for longer and get the PR boost/spin. considering there are still so many devices that are working that don't support newer software. BRand loyalty is waning and windows is competing with chrome books. That's the shit k-12 are getting and most basic people. Give yourself at least a bit of an edge ffs!

But nah public hasn't made a big fuss about that so of course they won't elect to make better choices for the environment

[–] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 30 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Still not updating until you let me keep my taskbar where it is.

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[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (2 children)

This was supposed to be the "last" windows operating system they'd ever release.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 11 months ago

Fuck off Microsoft.

[–] tiny_electron@sh.itjust.works 23 points 11 months ago

I did not have that on my bingo card, but I realize I should have

[–] GigaFlop@kbin.social 20 points 11 months ago

Man I'm glad i shifted to linux. Not because I'm some open source zealot, but because I don't wanna deal with Microsoft's bullshit and the absolute awful look of windows 11. Given how well linux works these days, I'm very rarely having issues with it, and I only ever really use windows for vr so that i can have a desktop overlay.

[–] seaneoo@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Isn’t this what they did with Windows 7/8.1 through ESU?

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[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

prime enshittification.

"subscribe or die" is our future.

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[–] JessicaFEREM@kitsunes.cafe 18 points 11 months ago

yeah no crap they've been doing this for decades now lmao

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] bob_lemon@feddit.de 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I mean, that's not exactly news. Windows 10 came out in 2015. It will stop receiving updates after 10 years just like every Windows version has.

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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago (15 children)

They really want everyone on 11 don't they.

[–] ratman150@sh.itjust.works 25 points 11 months ago (13 children)

I use 11 for work, and so I tried it at home to really dive into the issues I might have. I generally prefer Linux but have always kept my daily drivers Windows....well until last Friday. I had the explorer shell crash on me causing data loss and really was the last straw. Wiped everything and went to Linux, I'm tired of the games Microsoft. I tolerated your bullshit for YEARS because the core of the OS usually "just worked"....except in recent years that's not true and I don't feel like my computer is "my computer" when windows 10+ is on it.

[–] Nougat@kbin.social 19 points 11 months ago (6 children)

It may have seemed like that, but killing explorer.exe doesn't cause data loss. None of the running applications are spawned by explorer, you just use it to launch them as separate processes.

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[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

went to Linux, I’m tired of the games

Linux actually has really good support for games these days

/(not sure of appropriate tag for dumb "joke")

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (23 children)

Well, I've been putting off switching to Linux for a long time now. I guess Microsoft is going to force my hand.

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

Next personal GFX update I'm going AMD and installing Linux on my gaming PC no matter what

But I get it, you don't want to maintain old builds forever. And given that certain systems still run Windows XP you have to force people and money is the only thing that talks

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