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Do it Liz! It'd hurt Trump more than Biden, which is probably her thought process anyways. Idk, what's the downside?
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I’m a staunch progressive, but if she somehow becomes the nexus of a new “reasonable conservative” party in the US, I would honestly love it. I disagree with her on nearly everything - especially domestic matters - but she and I both apparently actually give a shit about small-d democracy, and that’s something I can actually work with.
Yes I very much respect the minority of conservatives who are loyal Americans instead of power mad neofascists trying to subvert our precious 245 year old democracy.
If people are ultimately willing to abide by the rules of democracy, they’re not a lost cause - they can be negotiated with.
The line is drawn at dogmatic, slavish devotion to the idea of power at all costs with complete disregard to democratic processes. That isn’t something you can have a debate with.
A conservative's loyalty to America comes from a desire to maintain traditional values, social orders, and hierarchies of people.
They don't deserve respect. The ones who deserve respect are the ones trying to protect the rights of individuals, maximize the social good of all people, and foster an environment of progress for the future -- the liberals, socialists, and the progressives, that is. People who declare themselves conservative stand in opposition to these things by definition. They do not want things to change for the better because they do not want things to change at all unless it is going backwards.
I'll take the allies I can in this existential fight, but I have zero respect for anyone who's proud to be a conservative.
Yes I very much respect the minority of conservatives who are loyal Americans instead of power mad neofascists trying to subvert our precious 245 year old democracy.
If there were more than 5 of these unicorns Trump wouldn't have done so well in 2020, and Republicans in congress wouldn't be the clown show that they are today because of the pressure they'd have been receiving from their constituents.
The current state of Repubican leadership convinces me that the only pressure they are getting from their consituents is to go harder with facism.
I hope she fractures the R vote also. But I'm not going to forget what conservative America has enabled and continues to support to this day.
Or she could just caucus with the Dems. Have exactly the same official platform, a lot of influence, and show the courage of her convictions by truly rejecting fascism.
She doesn't do so because she does not fully reject fascism.
Yeah her policy platform would be diametrically opposed to a Democratic platform.
Explain to me what policies McCain advocates for that are so incompatible with the Dem party platform that it can come even close to being a "diametrical" opposition?
Is it her desire to police uteruses? That's not an issue the dems have historically cared to do anything about in spite of myriad opportunities to protect the right to control your own body. She'd hardly be the only anti-choice democrat.
She changed her mind on opposition to same-sex marriage. She's helped pass gun control packages. The only thing she's been vocal about is being anti-Trump, and the best way to defeat Trump is not as Republican and is CERTAINLY not as an independent actor. Hell, running third party will probably increase Trump's odds.
McCain?
Sorry, Cheney. Same fucking difference, those two. They're both snakes that don't have the courage to do what really needs to be done to put an end to the rise of fascism -- abandon the party and ideology of fascism.
Pretty sure the reason one of them doesn't have the courage is because he's dead.
I'm fine with killing off Cindy McCain, but don't misgender her.
Omg this is really gonna be the year of third-party elections isnt it?
Gonna end up being Biden vs Trump vs Stein vs [libertarian candidate] vs Cheney vs Manchin?
Who knew the birth of a third party would be so painful
It won't be the birth of a third party, it'll be the year the House decides who gets to be president. That's what happens when no one gets enough electoral votes.
Should've got the epidural.
Well... If the Democrats can't deliver an actual liberal...
Biden is absolutely a liberal.
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law. Liberals espouse various views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion, constitutional government and privacy rights.
Then why does he label himself progressive and why is he STILL trying to send billions of dollars to continue the slaughter of Palestine?
I'm a life long liberal Democrat.
I dont know where your copy pasta comes from and I'm not clicking on your link.
Liberals are anti-war. Progressives are pro-status quo, which is pro military industrial complex, which is pro Israel slaughtering innocents with weapons and ammunition made by American military contractors.
I'm not clicking on your link.
My man, it's Wikipedia. It's where he copied the text from. You could afford to put in a little effort to engage in good faith.
Liberals are anti-war. Progressives are pro-status quo, which is pro military industrial complex
Cutting military spending is not anti-war.
Cutting military spending is a clever deal to keep the wars going AND fund Healthcare.
Progressives are pro-war, and that isn't liberal.
Liberals traditionally are Democrat and are increasingly disenfranchised.
Jesus, are you 12?
Give me that urban dictionary link that tells me what a liberal Democrat is. Fuck.
I dont know where your copy pasta comes from and I'm not clicking on your link.
Can't learn if you don't click, random stranger. I linked to the wikipedia article on liberalism, what that "copypasta" was cited from.
Clearly it's the definitions that are wrong, lol.
I don’t have anything to add to this conversation but I just want to say you’ve done a great job at reporting news while remaining civil DarkGamer. I’ve never seen you get heated or take an all or nothing stance on an issue and honestly it’s so refreshing to see. You’re proof that people can debate things without resorting to shit slinging and name calling. Keep up the good work 👍
americans use “liberal” to only mean socially liberal, however liberal describes both economic and social philosophies
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law.
— https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
economic liberals are all about the free market, social liberals are all about human and civil rights (among many other things)
Progressives are pro-status quo
LOL there's a new one.
You’re thinking of conservatives.
Conservatives?
Are anti-war?
The fuck you smoking?
Pretty sure they meant the other description you gave.
Lol he hates half of that
biden is probably one of the most liberal presidents in recent history.....