I've long accepted that we're going to see the bad ending, as I've never had any say in what happens, and I know what kind of world we live in. We're going out with a long drawn-out whimper while capitalists scurry to ride the wave on a ship made out of the corpses of the ignorant. This was always the way things were going to happen, and revolution was always the only way to prevent it.
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Ditto, except I consider it extremely improbable that revolution would fix anything. The problem is human nature — greed, ignorance, ego, tribalism; the tendency to support sociopaths in leadership — ultimately it may turn out that no amount of any ism can meaningfully safeguard us from ourselves.
What you're describing isn't human nature. We aren't all slaves to greed or supporting sociopaths. What we are is impressionable, disorganized, and willing to submit to a higher authority. Sociopaths take advantage of this by acting as our higher authority, feeding us misinformation, and keeping us thoroughly divided. A collective wake-up call is just about the only thing we could undergo to break the cycle, but we are firmly trapped within our delusions for the foreseeable future.
What we're doing isn't working. The system we have doesn't do what we want it to do. We all, on some level, understand this. To acknowledge that we want a better system that is better capable of doing good for as many entities as possible is to acknowledge that we want a revolution, because our system is incapable of doing anything that we want it to do at this point.
It's not even delusions, it's that for many our simplest means to access food and shelter directly enriches a class that is forced to play the role of humanity's antagonist just by virtue of existing as a class.
A total lack of foresight doesn't help either. We only (maybe) fix things after they become catastrophic.
Maybe. I do think the climate is pretty screwed, but at the same time there's developments in play that even a few years ago I wouldn't have been expecting within my lifetime.
It's really too early to call how this all plays out ultimately.
As an ancient group claiming we are a future recreation of a long dead original humanity had said, "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is."
We may be heading for an end of many things, but we are also watching a beginning take form, and it seems to my eye to be a bit of a race between the collective environmental debts we've racked up and the advancement of a true game changer that might take what seems inevitable and turn it on its head.
What I would say is that I think people doing really bad shit in the world right now are in for a serious surprise within a generation. It's going to be increasingly hard to keep skeletons in closets and even the most powerful people in the world today may not still be on top of the food chain by tomorrow.
I too am skeptical we escape the catastrophe of climate change - but I think the path to that end may yet have some promising twists and turns along the way.
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I believe most of us have accepted that we have already passed all the tipping points and at this point We're fighting for damage control
Failing at damage control, I would say.
If we instinctually felt how dire this is, akin to the imminent danger of, like, a lion circling our huts, maybe we would rise up and do something.
But we didn't evolve to feel a true sense of urgency about abstract dangers that will happen in 30-100 years.
We know we are fucked beyond belief. We know billions will die. We know 90%+ of the planet's species will go extinct. We know we will live to see a barren wasteland of populated by suffering. Intellectually we know the horrors. Yet it feels more urgent to go to work and pay the bills and do our day to day things.
Imagine if we felt the urgency to a point where we walked out of our jobs and did what we needed to do to force the change. Force companies to shut down. Ground all airplanes and dismantle cargo ships. Wrest control from the rich. Shut down coal plants. Etc.
And then there's the greedy bastards... Who would rather do anything to make money now than deal with anything tomorrow or anything that might hurt all of us.
As long as conservatives are alive, there will be no damage control either.
This is so much large than the conservatives. It's even larger than just the US.
Yes, it is. And the solutions are multi-tiered. And the tiers of solutions that would be reachable are defended against by conservatives who have been brainwashed for generations by corporate interests.
Yes, it's bigger than conservatives in just the U.S. too. Conservatives globally are the security layer that prevent every major solution from being attainable. To defeat the major pollutors and to legislate change globally, we must first defeat the corporations' brainwashed henchmen, who are otherwise known as conservatives.
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It is larger than the US but conservatives fighting climate change measures is a global problem
The left is not exactly better or more effective, on a global scale. This is the real issue. sides are also really mostly relative. The right here (Scandinavian country) would be considered somewhere between socialist and communist in the us. Its not about sides. It's about the lack of actions
That's what I was thinking. Once the permafrost thaw becomes self perpetuating, there's no going back.
And seeing as the Antarctic and Arctic are warming about 4x as fast as the rest of the world, I'd say we're pretty close now.
I feel it basically started in the 20teens and is underway now.
After the tipping points, there is no damage control.
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...as conservatives cheer.
They're all about the conserving until it comes to life on Earth.
No no, financial ruin is included there. They'll care about that part.
They'll call it the Biden Collapse or some stupid shit to try to shift the blame.
No it’s ok. They have a hedge fund set up.
Yes, they will, but the government will protect them even if it means starving out the undesirables.
Crapitalists*
I mean, they're gonna deal with the consequences too so I cheer. I cheer because I don't care and have nothing to lose. And the people responsible should Suffer the consequences instead of being constantly bailed out by the rest. Let it all fail. You're just trying to delay thr inevitable. Claiming it isn't inevitable is exactly why things never changed and never will because people believe it works itself out. Grab popcorn and enjoy.
I hear you. I find some peace in watching my conservative neighbors' faces when I tell them I want this planet to cook us all into starvation. Conservatives don't really know how to respond to someone who actually wants to watch the world burn.
When we begin competing for resources, conservative neighbors will be the first places to focus on. They caused all of this. They should be the first to suffer the losses.
Yes, we know.
Profits, shareholders, and not inconveniencing anyone is the priority.
Thus, our human brain are incapable of grasping or begin to comprehend the scale and severity of the climate crisis with just soundbites, anecdotes, news-rants and tiktok videos.
Understanding complex systems is hard and requires continuous concentration over months and years. Even more so for the Hyperobject that is ephemerally understood as Climate Change.
We can barely begin to collectively acknowledge that perhaps something is indeed wrong with :
- all the burning forests just because of the smoke/smog "inconveniently" smothers our cities (occasionally burning them for being too close)
- atmospheric rivers drowning towns and cities in flash floods
- high altitude glaciers irreversibly melting and disappearing
- Greenland and Antarctic have only accelerated their ice loss from sustained glacier retreat
- the thermohaline circulation slowing down due to all that melted water (less dense due to higher temperature and less salt) staying on the surface of the water column
- the migration of millions of humans mostly from regions with latitude between the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn due to drought, crops loss, famine, extreme storms, natural disasters and violence or wars
- the increase in frequency and length of heatwaves
Unfortunately, we will probably sooner or later go to war over made-up fantasies or leftovers of a ruined planet before finally collectively understanding and tackling the complex thing that is currently (for now) known as Climate Change.
I'm kind of looking forward to it, to be honest. The collapse of society should be interesting and make my future life as a caveman more worthwhile.
The only thing I'm concerned about are my cats.
The tipping point report, produced by an international team of 200 researchers and funded by Bezos Earth Fund
We have placed the fate of humanity in the hands of billionaire parasites - and we are reaping the consequences.
Stop teasing and just collapse already.
Boy, what an exciting time to live in!
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