Only rational if you're the last person in line and not moving doesn't spill people out of the designated waiting ropes.
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Why take less space when can take more?
Kevin took that advice to heart
It's still rational if you don't care about those people though
Willful denial of the feelings of others is irrational in itself. Everything you know about humanity should lead you to believe that others have feelings too
It's the same for her, not for everyone behind her. She's a perfect example of thinking only of herself.
Its only the same if you strictly consider 'the time I stand in this line'.
Its different because everyone behind her loses a feeling of progress from moving up, and it increases the queue length (at least visually) which can impact other people's decision on which queue to join which, of course can impact the other queues.
To think the way the image suggests is to be inconsiderate to others around you.
losing a feeling of progress
Right, that's why it says perfectly rationally. If someone is really being perfectly rational they should only care about how long they wait inine, not a feeling of how long they wait. I don't think being "perfectly rational" is something folks should strive to do.
Fuck everyone else though right? That doesn't sound rational does it? In that case why even wait in the line? Just walk to the front because that will shorten your time
If people don't more forward, the line ends up overflowing past the stanchions and maybe even outside. It's not the same :P
Had a guy losing his fucking mind behind me in bumper to bumper traffic. I always like to keep about 1.5ish vehicle length (obviously not a real metric, just a guess) between me and the person in front in case people need to switch lanes or if I'm hit from behind.
When I say the guy behind me was mad, he was fucking LOSING it. He was screaming, he was flailing his arms, he was beating on his steering wheel, he was honking a shit ton.
He eventually just cut the lane beside me and the person next to me, just to get into the 30 feet of empty space in dead slow traffic. No idea why he thought this would somehow make any difference.
I honked at him several times just to fuck with him
There's something like a spring effect, you should try to keep the same distance between the car in front of you and the one behind you, watch this it's very informative: https://youtu.be/iHzzSao6ypE
Most importantly you should do your best to drive at one, single, steady, speed, and not stop and go. In civilised countries that kind of thing gets taught in driving lessons, three or four people acting correctly can dissolve a traffic jam.
I do this with traffic. People edge their cars forward and I'll just sit there.
Where are you going? The light isn't any less red.
you ask once and if they refuse you bypass them.
if they stop you, apologize then wait for them to get distracted again and go.
it won't take them long to keep up with the line, I guarantee it.
But shes still right. Assuming that everyone is still in the queue area and not overflowing into the general concourses, it does not matter when she moves. The forward progress is an illusion if youre still queued after you move.
She could cause folks to ito be in the queue lanes, and be left in the "open walking space" of the terminal, thus materially decreasing the usage of folks not trying to join that line.
I think it’s just people want the illusion of the line moving so they can feel safe of reaching the end of the line, cause at the airport you want to the quickest way to your gate.
Yeah, it makes sense, but thats a emotional choice. You do that because it feels good, it seems productive. I think this is pointing out shuffling forward 2ft every 2 minutes is actually more of a waste of effort then going 40ft in 20 min. You need to exert some common background attention that we all just got used to doing with the shuffle way. The "leap forward" method is likely more mechanically efficent in a minute sense.
It feels better, but it's technically worse.
Emotional and rational get damn chummy when my missing my flight becomes a risk. I seek to eliminate unknowns to 0, such that I am SURE I'll make my flight. Each checkpoint is an unknown of trouble, and until I'm papered and present at my gate I am seeking choices to arrive there.
Do you think she was keeping track of whether people were overflowing into the general concourses ?
Yes, in the thought experiment sense. If the premise is that she only moves rationally, a rational time to move is to keep the queue in the queue.
Realistically, outside of the thought experiment? Probally not so much. Maybe in a general background way.
but it does matter.
if she doesn't move then I will go in front of her.
she can stand there all day if she wants.
The forward progress is an illusion if youre still queued after you move.
Only if you count the amounts in the queue; if you count the positions, you're still making progress because you have materially moved closer to the finish line: you'll spend more time in the queue being "closer" than "farer" to the finish.
But why would you do that? She's in front of you in the queue, so unless you have priority, human etiquette dictates that you should wait for your turn.
Skipping the line is just being mean to the people you skipped.
I said if they stopped me I'd apologize.