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[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 23 points 6 months ago

Has anyone tried to fire an entire city of cops and start over with everyone reapplying for their jobs? If they had a psychology driven focus towards community, it might work?

[-] JoeCoT@kbin.social 17 points 6 months ago

Camden NJ did, it helped, but they're still cops.

[-] DougHolland@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Interesting, thanks. It reads like a major, serious attempt at solving the problem, something other places should emulate...

Still, there's no way I'm eating hot dogs at a neighborhood cop party.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago

They had a booth at a community event here in Seattle giving out hot dogs. The officers didn't seem that thrilled and weren't talking to the residents, but it didn't harm anything. This was when it was pretty bad here in Seattle. If they were acting part of that community, I think it would be a great way to mingle with your community.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago

I forgot about Camden and I don't think people ever laid out exactly what they did when I read about it before. This is a great article. If police forces just trained the deescalation part, we'd be in better shape. I also like that the police becomes part of the community and is vulnerable to it the first day.

It starts from an officer’s first day: When a new recruit joins the force, they’re required to knock on the doors of homes in the neighborhood they’re assigned to patrol, he said. They introduce themselves and ask neighbors what needs improving.

Training emphasizes deescalation, he said, and the department’s use of force policy makes clear that deadly force is the last option.

Now, police host pop-up barbecues and pull up in Mister Softee trucks to get to know residents, Cappelli said. They host drive-in movie nights – recently, the movie of choice was “The Lion King” – along what used to be known as the city’s “Heroin Highway.”

The community-first initiative has made improving diversity within the force a priority, too. Whites are the minority in Camden, so Cappelli said the new department has hired more black and brown officers to serve black and brown residents. (Cappelli didn’t have exact numbers for the increase, but said it’s improved.)

[-] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 7 points 6 months ago

The only thing that works is accountability. As long as cops get away with literal murder, nothing will change.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

That is not the only thing, but definitely a part of it.

[-] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

They're literally trained to profile. When I was a young white dude with long hair and a beater car I was illegally detained and searched dozens of times. Now I record the police but I don't really get pulled over anymore, or hang outon public streets.

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    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

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    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

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